J Temple-West Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi guys,What do we think of this one? Supposedly an early issue to LC members before the slight change of design in 37/38. The size is 50mm, indicating a late ?Alfonso XIII? manufacture date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Obverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi, I think that the LC members received the Spanish decorations in 1939 even though some documents are dated 1938.This cross is IMO later to the LC, may be for the Azul Div members. jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Many thanks, jacques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaW Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Hello,I think the owner get the cross a second time. You can see the two small plates on the arms?regards from GermanyMichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 [attachmentid=33948] Hello Gents, I have a Silver Grade and A Gold Grade of the same badge. The width of each is about 63mm, and they are both in Mint condition. My question is are they authentic and what period would they be from. It was also my understnading the at one time the Enlisted Men were awarded the Silver and the Officers were awarded the Gold. One other point of interest is that mine do not have swords, I would assume this was a non combatant? Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 [attachmentid=33952]Gold Grade Back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 [attachmentid=33953]Silver Grade, photo shot at a slight angle to decrease glare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 [attachmentid=33954]Silver Grade Reverse. Thanking you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 John and Matt,These crosses are outstanding!!!! Congratulations!!! Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 The second cross "cruz de guerra" is IMO post 1939 and attributed to the members of the Spanish Blue Division.The first one was not awarded to the LC members. your cross with the white stripes was for the "pensioned". It seems that the crown is broken. The crosses with white stripes were never awarded to german LC members.Anyway, it is fine crossesjacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 (edited) Jacques, thank you for the information on the crosses. I do have a couple questions, are they considered WW II aka pre 1945? A cross for someone persioned, do you mean like a retired administrator? Finally please point out where the cross is broken, I may have missed something. Can you tell me where the crown is broken, because it may be a reflection, there are not chips, nicks or cracks to the enamel. Thanks in advance.Now that I look at the photo of the Silver Grade I can see the swords! So I could have missed something on the crown of the Gold Grade. Edited April 9, 2006 by Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Jacques, thank you for the information on the crosses. I do have a couple questions, are they considered WW II aka pre 1945? A cross for someone persioned, do you mean like a retired administrator? Finally please point out where the cross is broken, I may have missed something. Can you tell me where the crown is broken, because it may be a reflection, there are not chips, nicks or cracks to the enamel. Thanks in advance.Now that I look at the photo of the Silver Grade I can see the swords! So I could have missed something on the crown of the Gold Grade.Sorry for the red cross. it is not broken, just I didn't saw the crown which is very small. the "cruz de guerra", as I said is war period but also post war (Franco period). It could have been awarded to members of the Azul Div.Concerning the word of "Pension" for the red cross, may be Panzerpionnier will give further explanation. But sure , it has been not awarded to german LC members, but to an high ranking spanish officer. jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddywhack Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 hers mine! im told from around 1942! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddywhack Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 and the back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Here is mine for comparison. on this one the star branches are more pointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 (edited) Well gents it looks like there are several real nice crosses out there and even some nice variation like the one jacques has posted. I would assume that larger points are from a different maker? We have now seen several nice examples and I would like to thank you all for sharing yours and your comments. While surfing eBay last evening I found a very nice Cased Spanish Order similar to the crosses show here. I am not sure of the era; however, I am certain it is a very nice example, even the pin is engraved! if you would like to have a look try the link below. Again thank you all. eBay Order Edited April 14, 2006 by Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Well gents it looks like there are several real nice crosses out there and even some nice variation like the one jacques has posted. I would assume that larger points are from a different maker? We have now seen several nice examples and I would like to thank you all for sharing yours and your comments. While surfing eBay last evening I found a very nice Cased Spanish Order similar to the crosses show here. I am not sure of the era; however, I am certain it is a very nice example, even the pin is engraved! if you would like to have a look try the link below. Again thank you all. eBay OrderVery nice cross indeed, but not for LC members.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaW Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Hello,here is a star with the orginal document for LC Member Lt Fichtner. He take part as a observer in the spanish civil war.regards from GermanyMichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaW Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 ... the document ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Hi,Fine ! Do you own the full group ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 MichaW, that is impressive - what a document. I have a large book called Condecoraciones Espanolas By Gomez that has a whole line of fantastic photos seperated by tissue. The photos and book are of the same quality and style as your document. Great Document and Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerpionier Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 (edited) MichaW, that is impressive - what a document. I have a large book called Condecoraciones Espanolas By Gomez that has a whole line of fantastic photos seperated by tissue. The photos and book are of the same quality and style as your document. Great Document and Cross.Actually the author's FIRST surname is "Fernandez de la Puente". "Gomez" was his SECOND surname... we have TWO surnames in Spain (one from our father and another from our mother).That book sells for about US$ 1000. Nice plates but heavily retouched. Edited April 21, 2006 by Panzerpionier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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