Igor Ostapenko Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Hi Ilieff, thank you for great photo !!! I will post your photo of some medal ( from another topic ) p.s. May be you have photos of Order of Merit from museum ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilieff Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Hi, Igor. Here are two of the images I've taken at the museum. I'd suggest we stick to the topic though (which is the medal, not the order). PS: If you're asking about 'golden' Orders of merit - I don't think they have any on display at the museum. I might be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Hi Ilieff, Thank you for great pictures ! New for me - little orders May be you make photo of Orders after 1908 y. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 YOUNG FERDINAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 13 hours ago, Yankee said: YOUNG FERDINAND Very good medal , rare variant !!! But ... you must clean this Item I find in web picture of "gold" Order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilieff Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 16 hours ago, Yankee said: YOUNG FERDINAND Yankee, is this your medal? It's a very rare one indeed. I haven't seen such an example in person but by the photos I came across, all the silver medals of this type are really worn out and/or with lots of patina on them. This makes me think that the material is not pure silver (if silver at all). Are you able to prove this? Are there any markings on the medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Igor Ostapenko said: Very good medal , rare variant !!! But ... you must clean this Item I find in web picture of "gold" Order Hi Igor I too noticed the dirt for the first time. I can only think of the high humidity that I live in that would cause this build up. I don't like to disturb medals in trying to clean them, perhaps make it worse. I had no idea that it was rare. 1 hour ago, ilieff said: Yankee, is this your medal? It's a very rare one indeed. I haven't seen such an example in person but by the photos I came across, all the silver medals of this type are really worn out and/or with lots of patina on them. This makes me think that the material is not pure silver (if silver at all). Are you able to prove this? Are there any markings on the medal? Hi ilieff I bought it about a decade ago, from a Bulgarian dealer. The reason why I purchased it was the high relief and crisp details that struck me. I believe it is silver and appeared to be in mint condition. Now it is heavily tarnished which I suspect must be from the humidity. I did not see any hallmarks. Any idea how many were awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 wash soap with a brush, place a copper medal in a Coca-Cola for 25-30 minutes, silver for an hour, then rinse with water and dry with a napkin ( you can try with simple medals ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Igor Ostapenko said: wash soap with a brush, place a copper medal in a Coca-Cola for 25-30 minutes, silver for an hour, then rinse with water and dry with a napkin ( you can try with simple medals ) I thought Coca Cola was only used to clean car engines and pizza restaurants. Good idea to experiment on something of less value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I would leave it alone, patina adds character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilieff Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Yankee said: Any idea how many were awarded? I cannot quote any figures, but certainly not that many were decorated. This is one of the rarest emissions in general, and I have only seen photographs of 5 or 6 medals (both bronze and silver) in total. We are still waiting for a 'golden' medal of this issue to be discovered (in case it existed at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 hours ago, new world said: I would leave it alone, patina adds character. Right you are. Used cotton swabs a much safer route with excellent results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 10 hours ago, new world said: I would leave it alone, patina adds character. http://bulgarianorders.com/i-425-1899-bulgaria-royal-merit-ag-medal-cyl-hook-2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Thee only cleaning method that I use if soft brush with mild soap and warm water. This will get rid of the dirt, but patina will stay intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yankee Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, Igor Ostapenko said: http://bulgarianorders.com/i-425-1899-bulgaria-royal-merit-ag-medal-cyl-hook-2.html Good idea the before and after results. I could have sworn when first purchased my example looked exactly like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 5 hours ago, ilieff said: I cannot quote any figures, but certainly not that many were decorated. This is one of the rarest emissions in general, and I have only seen photographs of 5 or 6 medals (both bronze and silver) in total. We are still waiting for a 'golden' medal of this issue to be discovered (in case it existed at all). I was wrong after removing the dust clouds from Ferdinand did discover a maker below the bust. - l NCR only those four letters were available to my loop. Any idea who the engraver is? Perhaps Igor's example just posted has same engraver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilieff Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, Yankee said: I could have sworn when first purchased my example looked exactly like yours. Are you sure that these are not photographs of the same medal? The ribbons look identical and this can hardly be achieved as these are hand-stitched. The photograph Igor posted is from the archives of the website, so it's older than [perhaps] 10 years - it might be your medal prior to you purchasing it. Edited October 26, 2017 by ilieff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 6 hours ago, ilieff said: Are you sure that these are not photographs of the same medal? The ribbons look identical and this can hardly be achieved as these are hand-stitched. The photograph Igor posted is from the archives of the website, so it's older than [perhaps] 10 years - it might be your medal prior to you purchasing it. It had never occurred to me looking at the medal posted by Igor being being the same as mine. The ribbon just faded out after all this time, and as you quite clearly point out the stitching is an exact match. I had hoped it was a different medal that Igor posted to get confirmation of the engraver. BTW just recently found your site and found it very informative and easy to navigate. Thanks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) On 10/24/2017 at 13:28, Igor Ostapenko said: I find in web picture of "gold" Order I wish there would be good way to tell real gold grade awards from conversions. Edited October 29, 2017 by new world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 How many gold grade orders were awarded ? ############################## two variation of order “ForMerit” with signature of P. Telge - first “little head” and “big head” Signature. differents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 gold grade “little head” P.TELGE sold by Victor http://bulgarianorders.com/i-166-1908-bulgaria-royal-merit-order-gold-1c-yelge.html I think- this is original order first class ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 10:21, Igor Ostapenko said: How many gold grade orders were awarded ? ############################## two variation of order “ForMerit” with signature of P. Telge - first “little head” and “big head” Signature. differents Hi Igor Is the big head type more rare? Never encountered YELOE engraver or a gold merit order. They must be very rare. Thanks for making me aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hi Yankee, Type TELGE little head - early and very rare ( little head - little signature ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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