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johannis   

Hello.
I won an auction with this medal bar today.
I think, the medal bar is very interesting.
I add photos from the auction.
I have a few questions to all and please want yours help.
An Prussian medal bar with Austrian medals, is it real or not?
From WWI to end of the 30s is to long time,is it possible to create such a composition without long service medals?
On the auctions photos all the medals do not all belong to the medal bar, anyone can give me the right order.
Thanks,any opinion is welcome.
Best regards,jannis.
 

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I think it's credible, sure, some of the medals don't belong on the bar, but the bar itself is most certainly real. On the first ribbon should be a regular iron cross 2.st class and on the second ribbon should be a HK with swords. On the third ribbon should come the golden merit cross. On the fourth ribbon should come the silver merit cross. On the fifth ribbon should come the karl merit medal with the crown. The sixt ribbon should have the woundbadge, which was in Austria, contrary to other countries, a medal for a bar instead of a ´´steckabzeichen´´ like in germany. On the seventh ribbon should come the Karl-truppen kreuz and on the last ribbon should come the austrian annexation medal.
 

Kind regards, Laurentius

Although I must admit that the colours of the ribbons seem of, the last medal was awarded last, in 1938, yet it has lost more colour than the austrian ribbons, which are still minty red
 

Kind regards, Laurentius

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johannis   

Hello Laurentius  .
First, many thanks for your help.
If the first one is in the row is an EK2 then all others are right.
What irritates me is that in the medals was not an EK2 but a Prussian Military Merit Cross (militärisches Verdienstkreuz) and has the same band as the EK2.
Thanks again.
Regards, Jannis.

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Hi Jannis,

I do not believe that an EK2 is missing. I think that

this is a NCO bar, and then there should be the Krieger Verdienstmedaille.

Kind regards
Andreas

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johannis   

Hello.
Many thanks Andreas for the information.
You are right, the Krieger Verdienstmedaille might fit.
Please, two question.
Firstly, how did you recognize that it is an NCO bar?
Secondly, I thought,because the first two are Prussian medalss is the medal bar also.
Because the Krieger Verdienstmedaille  is awarded only to foreign soldiers is the logical way the medal bar Austrian.
Why have a Austrian medal bar  Foreign- Prussian medals at the beginning and not at the end?
Thanks, for any help.
Regards, Jannis.

Hallo.
Viele Dank Andreas fuer die Informationen.
Sie haben recht,der Krieger Verdienstmedaille konnte passen.
Bitte,zwei Frage.
Erstens,wie haben Sie erkannt dass es eine NCO bar ist?
Zweitens,ich dachte,da die erste zwei Preusse medaillien sind,ist die Ordenspange auch,
da aber der Krieger Verdienstmedaille nur an auslaendische Soldaten verliehen wird ist die logische weise Österreichische.
Warum hat sie dan die Auslaendische-Preusse medaillien am Anfang und nicht am Ende?
Danke,fuer jede Hilfe.
Gruesse,Jannis.

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Hi Jannis,

- Austrian because there is an austrian wounded medal on it, a German would have gotten a Verwundetenabzeichen.

- NCO because I have learned, that the Verdienstkreuze, depending on the class, were only awarded

to non-commissioned officers and enlisted ranks.

- The order of the medals is so, because the Austrian army was taken over by the German army in 1938,

and from that time the order of the medals are correct. 

Kind regards
Andreas

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johannis   

Hello Andreas.
Again, many thanks, for the quick but above all excellent help.
Best regards, Jannis.

 

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