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Hi Gentlemen,

this medal for Defence of Odessa has poor relief details, especially on the soldiers figures. Is this a worn original or a copy?

What are you opinions?

thank you :)
Tomasz

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It is a bad reproduction, for a number of reasons. Everything on the avers is too approximate. The suspension ring is totally unrealistic. In addition, I would be always prudent with medals showing such a strong wear traces in the middle of the reverse (look at the N (H) in нашу). Finally, the reverse of the medal shows details of the voenkomat versions, in contrast with the soldered ring.

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Thanks for confirmation. And this one? I suppose this is good 2nd type?

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Additional, better pictures of the second medal. Now all should be clear :)Odessa_ND4.jpg.a6f8741e899419fdd9f5f33db2cb6662.jpg

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It looks to me a voenkomat version, could be original but I am not an expert of late productions. Could you post an image of the full reverse?

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From the pictures I do not see anything obviously wrong with this medal, but keep in mind I am not an expert and Odessa counts a variety of fakes of very good quality. Compared with the one published in mondvor website, there are anyhow some differences which might be due to illumination effects, like the general impression that there are too many details especially on the avers, compared to the general "soft" aspect of the odessa medal. Also in this case, the high contrast might be due to the light impingement angle.  Let's see if other collectors will leave more conclusive comments.

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Thank you. Yes, I know the Mondvor website. Will compare the marked details tomorrow at the daylight again.

But I am still loking for other opinions :)

regards
Tomasz

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Hello Tomasz

I have a similar one that someone has removed the original ring and soldered a new ring on to try to turn it into an early one.

The thing that I was looking at to see if it was genuine was the top arm of the 'K'.

The 'K' on mine, and it looks like yours, the arm appears to be straight while I am lead to believe that the top arm of the 'K' should have a curve in it. it is hard to see on the Mondvor site unless you can magnify the picture.

Can anyone confirm that my observation is correct.

Cheers

Frank 

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Mondvor website - is not full description of everything at all. Its enought for main knowledge only.

Your second Odessa medal is Voenkomat type. Nothing special.

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