Oberleutnant von Könemann 1 GDR

[Ostuf]

Hi guys, have this nice portrait of this Oberleutnant. Any biographical data on him?

Thanks again

[The Prussian]

Hello!

Do you have an era? Is it an EK 70/71 or 1914?

The tunic doesn´t look like a Dragoner

Edited February 12 by The Prussian

[Ostuf]

Unfortunately I just have a name and the unit written on back of the photo. 

In my opinion, the EK is 1870/71 

[The Prussian]

And it's 1. Garde-Dragoner-Regiment?

[Ostuf]

yes... 1 GDR Berlin

[The Prussian]

Hmmm, I´ve got a list of EK owners of 70/71. No Könemann...

[Ostuf]

Could it be before ?

[The Prussian]

And the EK? It won't be a 1813

[Ostuf]

yes, you're right. I had this photo 5 yeras ago and never found anything on him 

[The Prussian]

Could you show the reverse, please?

I don´t believe it´s 1813 one.

Edited February 12 by The Prussian

[Ostuf]

I don't have the photo with me right now. I' ll be home next week

[The Prussian]

Ah OK. Then let's wait a while. Or maybe another one knows more

[Ostuf]

I know this is a difficult one... 

[The Prussian]

You´re absolutely right...

[Ostuf]

by the way, why you have some doubts on his tunic? Don't you think it could be a dragoner?

[The Prussian]

You´re right. I´ve checked a few books. The man wears an "Interimsrock"

This tunic was worn around the 50s and the early 70s. So it´s a quiete rare photo!

Here is a Interimsrock of a dragoner of the line. Guards didn´t have any Litzen

[Ostuf]

What a nice plate you posted Prussian!

I'm sure we are discussing a very interesting photo... just too bad we can't find anything on him

[The Prussian]

The plate is stolen from the net...

Maybe the reverse will help next week

Edited February 12 by The Prussian

[Ostuf]

yes, maybe the reverse will help us, but  can't see how... It just says:Oberleutnant v. Könemann 1 GDR Berlin 

Nothing else

[The Prussian]

Sometimes the writer could be wrong...

In the list of 70/71 EK owners I´ve found a Sec.Lt. Rudolf Emil v. Kunheim in 1.Garde-Drag.Rgt.

[Ostuf]

I see... ok, we'll see next week

[The Prussian]

In the ranklist 70/71 is a v. Kunheim with EK II:

Sec.Lt.  v. Kunheim in Garde-Train-Bataillon.

Note the the rank "Oberleutnant" came-up not before 1899. Before it was called Seconde-Lieutenant for Leutnant and Premier-Lieutetant for Oberleutnant.

So the script must have been written after 1899/1900

The ranklist 1869 shows two v. Kunheim (1x Sec.Lt, 1x Pr.Lt.) in Cavalry of 7.Ostpreuß. Landwehr-Rgt.Nr.44.

Thet means, Sc.Lt. Kunheim was in the Landwehr before the war and had been activated for the war, probably in 1870.

But I´m not sure, that he is the man in the photo, but he is our only hint...

 

 

Edited February 12 by The Prussian

[Ostuf]

Yes, it make sense.

just tell me, the same von Kunheim in 1.Garde-Drag.Rgt in the list of 70/71 EK owners, could be one of the two Kunheim listed in the ranklist 1869,  in Cavalry of 7.Ostpreuß. Landwehr-Rgt.Nr.44. At the start of the war, he was activated and transferred to the 1.Garde-Drag.Rgt, until the end of the conflict and awarded with a EK II klasse. Is it right?

 

[The Prussian]

I don´t know. That´s just a guess. It´s possible.

When we have the reverse I could check the official recordings of the war.

The regiment fought:

1.9. Sedan, 5.9. Montmedy; 29.9. Li´Isle Adam; 9.10. Gisors; 14.10. Ecouis; 19./20.10. Etrepagny; 22.10. Vernon; 25.10. Longchamps; 6.11. Le Thiel; 7.11. Forêt la Folie; 19.-29.9. and 26.11.-28.1. Paris

[Bayern]

Gentlemen , The officer portrayed wears the type of feldachselstucke .introduced into the Prussian Army for the campaign of 1866 . later these shoulderboards were used with the service dress . The Landwehr cavalry weared blue and not light blue tunics and interims rocke .with the interimsrock litzen were not used . the pic is from between 1866 and 1889 , judging by the type of SBs but the EK II situates the date more precisely between 1870 and 1889. A 1813 EKII is exclude by way of the age of the officer and his rank