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Hi,

Looking at this, the whole thing is built like a Dienstmütze, not like a Schirmmütze.... can I assume it is a Model 1908?fm2.thumb.jpg.5181c66c0fc5d924ca1357b30c91eccd.jpgfm3.jpg.ace64c14c4246dc1aaf7b0b4e15fb069.jpgfm4.jpg.d2278f469a0511874523870b79109a8c.jpgfm5.jpg.7bf3e17ef701e62f9eda6d8972278bc6.jpgfm6.thumb.jpg.61cdc5ec22c48a7cbeff118695f60797.jpgfm1.thumb.jpg.b0d6095a58a64e59eb5bc6785bd88fd5.jpg

It also flattens our like a pancake, unlike a schirmmütze....

According to Kraus they were initially for Train, Medics etc, but were also very comkr.jpg.8360f94d1df0f57dadfb5fa1c428e8be.jpgmon in the Alpenkorps

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Chris,

I think your ID is correct. I can't see the date, but it looks like the visor was painted to match the visor of the later Einheits-Dienstmütze mit Schirm. The chinstrap appears to be the correct one for this issue cap. I like it a lot. 

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Chris,

I think your ID is correct. I can't see the date, but it looks like the visor was painted to match the visor of the later Einheits-Dienstmütze mit Schirm. The chinstrap appears to be the correct one for this issue cap. I like it a lot. 

Hi,

 

it is B.A.I. 1917

From the dealers photos it looked like a Schirmmütze, only when it arrived in a flat box did I see it was a Dienstmütze.

Apparently these were collected in 1917-18 and reworked into regular ones without the peak?

I am pretty happy as I read they were maily made for Train etc. so one in Infantry colors is just perfect for me.

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Yes, it says in Kraus that in 1918 the visors were ordered to be removed. I have two caps whose visors were removed, but obviously, not all were modified.

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Yes, it says in Kraus that in 1918 the visors were ordered to be removed. I have two caps whose visors were removed, but obviously, not all were modified.

From the source, this may have been souveniered by a French soldier during the war and escaped the visorcision

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Wouldn't this be considered a M1915 or in this case, M1916 Dienstmuetze? (1916 for Bavaria)

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Yes, it says in Kraus that in 1918 the visors were ordered to be removed. I have two caps whose visors were removed, but obviously, not all were modified.

Chip, have you got a date in 1918 for that?  Were these a softer bill, or hard bill?

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Hello , to me is a normal trooper mutze with an added peak. that modification was authorized to certain categories of trooper normally not authorized to wear the peaked caps for senior NCOs . but they must pay of their pocket the modification

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8 hours ago, Bayern said:

Hello , to me is a normal trooper mutze with an added peak. that modification was authorized to certain categories of trooper normally not authorized to wear the peaked caps for senior NCOs . but they must pay of their pocket the modification

 

No, they were an official model, issued as such. There was no need for troops to pay for this themselves. It is of course essentially a Mutze with an added peak, but factory made and issued as such, that is why it has an official designation.

 

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Chris

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Chris , I know about the official model used mainly if i am not wrong by sanitater , machine gunners ,and trainsoldaten, but once I read what I posted. These model of caps have a distinct type of peak, more wide and less angled than the normal 

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