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Legion Condor Belt & Buckle?

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:)Hi Gents,

I have a Spanish Leather Belt & Buckle (1936/39 Civil War?)

I wonder if they where worn in German Condor Legion?

Any  friendly INFO very appreciated!

Thanks & Regards Jurgen

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P.S. here Buckle & Catch:)

 

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I'm no expert, but this looks to me like the insignia of the Spanish Army.  Of course, it could still have been worn by the Legion Condor.  

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P.S. here Buckle & Catch:)

 

Hi Hugh thanks for your Interest:beer:

so much I also figured.. It's the "Ducal open Crown" used by  General Franco over the  San Juan Eagle  & Santiago Cross  the Claws on later 1943 Pattern are different,I wonder also if the "Blue Division" painted there Buckle "Blue?" (Here Pics?)maybe there is some Friend 

who knows more?Thanks again

Jurgen

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:beer:Hi Gents

I seen two Buckles (one Spanish one German II WW Time)

showing Rest of "Blue Paint"? "Divisione Azul "? any Idea Please Thanks& Regards

Jurgen

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I'm no expert, but this looks to me like the insignia of the Spanish Army.  Of course, it could still have been worn by the Legion Condor.  

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Jurgen : The Legion Condor weared special made belts and buckles . of tan leather .officers Sam Browne model , NCOs and troopers ,a rectangular koppelschloss much alike that of the Wehrmacht but plain without any badge . the Legion marched to Spain fully equiped and seems improbable the use of Spanish belt buckles

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Hello Bayern,

Thanks for Your friendly Answer..

I just read the opposite  in an old  Record :The Legion  Condor Soldiers left (& arrived in Spain) in "Civilian Cloth" Marshingboots & Rifle to be fully equipped in Spain ..?actually the Equipment was very bad for Uniforms (even Blankets for the Winter where not given out!)

I seen many of this "German Style peppelt  plain Belt Buckle"(Some say they where used by "German Penalty Units!")maybe the Legion  used them,they still in for sale as such..more Research is needed?:cheers:Thanks & Regards Jurgen

 

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P.S Not easy to find a Photo Legion Condor

Soldiers with Spanish Belt,this Panzer soldier

on the right looks like he waring one?

Regards Jurgen

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Hello Bayer,:beer:

The mentioned Officer "Sam Brown Style" Belts worn by the Legion Condor Officers where also given by the Spanish,I seen some marked "El Caballo Sevilla" they where used in the Spanish Army before & in the Civil war..

Regards Jurgen

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P.S. Hi Gents 

I found Photo of Legion Condor Ground forces

Panzer Uniform (obviously with "Spanish Belt")

 I read also that the Uniforms where Taylord in Spain

Best Regards Jurgen

 

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Hello : Certainly appears evident that the Spanish belt buckles were used. at least by the land troops. the Spanish Sam Browne was the current belt of Army officers . The Condors went in civilian clothes but with all their equipment . including uniforms in the cut of the Luftwaffe ones in brownish olive green cloth but without any distinction marking nationality . Once in Spain they adopted Spanish badges of rank . the grained belt buckle was plain . precisely to not show any .

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:beer:Hello Bayern

Thanks for Your Interest!

Well,so far (was my Question) we know that Spanish Army Belts

were used (ad least by the Ground troops) of the "German Legion

Condor"..my sec Question about use of "Blue Paint" on "Division

AZUL" Equipment IIWW? (I found a Picture of some Helmets &ct?)

Best Regards Jurgen

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:beer:Hello Bayern

I just read again: The German "Legion Condor" Volunteers

arrived in "Civil clothing" & given first an "Armband" in the

Spanish Colors:Red yellow red. End of 1936 all "Adopted"

a new Khaki Uniform fashioned on the "Spanish Legion"

Regards Jurgen

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:beer:Hi Gents: here an Article from:"Zeitschrift fuer Heeres Uni

form Kunde 1940 Hamburg by Diepenbundler Gunther& Schulz

about Uniform of the Legion Condor

Maybe interesting? Regards Jurgen

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This type of buckle is a 1943 type for enlisted. Maybe the latest replacement of the Blue Div. wore them on the way to the front.

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