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Jan Parker

London Met Police Striker - Patrick James Mangan

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I was wondering if anybody can recommend where to go for researching Officers in London Metropolitan Police.    My grandfather Patrick James Mangan joined in July of 1910, his number was 98743 and he was in S Division  - his collar number S-585.

He was dismissed as a striker on 1 August 1919, serving in F Division at the time with collar no F-82.   He lived in Kenley Street, Notting Dale

I would love to find out what kind of events he policed or cases he was involved. 

I have the National Archive records of his attestation and dismissal entries.  Of course no pension records for him as a striker.     Can anyone tell me if joining papers have been saved from this time.  We’ve never seen a picture of him and hoping there might be one somewhere. 

Another part of his story is that after his dismissal and as a result of an altercation and fight with a non striking officer.  He was convicted of GBH and sent to Pentonville in September 1919 for 20 months with hard labour.  So a further question with regard to prison records - he was tried at the Old Bailey - there must of been a mug shot of him at some point, but I’m thinking these records are not available ? Would that be right? 

Any pointers welcome.

Thank you

 

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Hi Jan he’s mentioned in the book The night the police went on strike by Roy Jenkins. I can send you what it says about him if you haven’t already got that information? Regards Gordon. 

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Hi Gordon - I didn’t know about the book, so it would be great to hear what’s been said about him.  I found references to the assault by searching online in the British Newspaper archives.  A random search bought that up and also the fact he was shot in the arm at his place of work whilst trying to apprehend a thief ( 1939 - so long after he had left the Met ).   Thank you for replying to me and I look forward to hearing what’s in the book.  Best wishes Jan ...

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P141/142 - Another striker, Constable Patrick MANGAN, was sent to prison for eighteen months for assaulting PC HARRIS, the coroner's officer at Paddington. He was alleged to have asked HARRIS why he was not on strike, knocked him down kicked him in the face.

He's entitled to the 1911 Coronation Medal. Have you got that?

Would be interested in reading all the research you've done into him.

 

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Hi - thanks for that, confirms what the news papers of the day reported.  It was quite a surprise to discover he’d been in prison. I didn’t know there would have been any kind of medal for him. I thought he was dismissed without his pension or any other form of recognition.    I will get together all the info I have so far and add it to this post .

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12 hours ago, Jan Parker said:

Hi - thanks for that, confirms what the news papers of the day reported.  It was quite a surprise to discover he’d been in prison. I didn’t know there would have been any kind of medal for him. I thought he was dismissed without his pension or any other form of recognition.    I will get together all the info I have so far and add it to this post .

This is an example of the medal he was entitled to. It was issued in 1911 so years before he was sacked.

You never know it might be out there somewhere.................

 

I for one look forward to reading your research. 

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You never know - best I keep an eye on Ebay.   There are obviously plenty of medal dealers out there - in your experience, can you recommend any for this type of medal?   Thank you. 

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Hi Jan. This is a fairly common medal that appears quite regularly on the auction sites. The trick is to find one with P.C. P Mangan S DIV engraved on the rim. Chances are good that it’s out there somewhere. Searching or advertising for the medal on sites like this or with other medal enthusiasts organizations might help you find your family heirloom, but may cause the price to zoom up into the “much sought after” category. It”ll be worth it, though, to return it to the family. Good luck and let us know if you find it. 

Mike. 

Edited by Mike McLellan

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55 minutes ago, Mike McLellan said:

Hi Jan. This is a fairly common medal that appears quite regularly on the auction sites. The trick is to find one with P.C. P Mangan S DIV engraved on the rim. Chances are good that it’s out there somewhere. Searching or advertising for the medal on sites like this or with other medal enthusiasts organizations might help you find your family heirloom, but may cause the price to zoom up into the “much saught after” category. It”ll be worth it, though, to return it to the family. Good luck and let us know if you find it. 

Mike. 

I agree with Mike, the 1911 medal is fairly common and yours could turn up pretty much anywhere it’s just a case of searching. One minor point I will raise is the 1911 medal doesn’t have the Bobby’s Division on the rim just his rank and name. 

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Thank you both for you advice regarding the medal - I will add the research in a bit once I’ve got it in some kind of time line.  

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