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Meet Oberstleunant a.D. Wichard Winkelmann, Kdr Pion.-Btl. Nr. 21

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Dear forumites,

I'd like to present to you my latest acquisition: the medalbar (plus EK1 1914) of Oberstleutnant a.D. Wichard.

Here are some infos about the orders on the bar and other infos about his career:

  • Preußen Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. am Kämpferband 1914 (OEK 1909), E gs/S;

  • Preußen, Hausorden von Hohenzollern, RK mit Schwertern, S&W gepunzt (OEK 1789), S em ;

  • Sachsen Königreich, Albrechtsorden, 2. Modell (1876-1918), RK 1. Kl. mit Schwertern, das Kreuz in Gold S vg Schwertern nachgerüstet (OEK 2209), S/G em;

  • Hessen, Allg. EZ, Ernst Ludwig, Für Tapferkeit (OEK 884), S;

  • Schaumburg-Lippe, Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 (OEK 1256), Br vg;

  • Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 688), Ku vs em;

  • Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 651), Ku vs em;

  • 3. Reich (1933-45), Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1), E br;

  • Preußen, RAO, 4. Modell (1885-1918) 4. Kl. mit Kr.(OEK 1706), S em;

  • Preußen, Offiziers Dienstauszeichnung für 25 Jahre (OEK );

  • Preußen, DA f. Offiziere 1825, 4. Form ab 1895 (OEK 1970/1), Br vg;

  • Schaumburg-Lippe, Fürstlicher Hausorden, Kreuz 3.Klasse (OEK 1211), G;

  • Siam, Königreich: Der sehr hohe Orden des Weißen Elefanten, 4. Modell, Offizierskreuz (1889-1941).

 

I would really appreciate if someone could give me the exact dates and places of both birth and death of this officer or other filling informations about his career and dates of the medals' bestowal (possible corrections).

 

Thank you a lot in advance for your comments or input on this one.

 

Sincerely,

 

Claudio

 

Wichard Winkelmann wurde mit Patent vom 18.4.1893 zum Leutnant ernannt und war von 1895 bis 1901 im Pionier-Btl. von Rauch (Brandenbg.) Nr. 3 tätig. Über einen kurzen Aufenthalt bei der Artillerie und der Ingenieur-Schule kam er 1902 zur 4. Ing.-Insp., die u.a. für den Fortifikationsdienst in Mainz tätig. Während des Weltkrieges war er Kommandeur des Pionier-Bataillons Nr. 211.

 

18.04.1883

Leutnant

1895-1901

Pionier-Btl. v.Rauch (Brandenbg.) Nr. 3

1897

k.z. Artillerie und Ingenieur-Schule

15.12.1900

Oberleutnant

1902

4. Ing.-Insp., k.z. Fortifikationsdienst in Mainz

1904/1905

Westfälisches Pion.-Btl. Nr. 7

1906/1911

Hannoversches Pion.-Btl. Nr. 10

27.01.1907

Hauptmann

1912

4. Ing.-Insp., k.z. Fortifikationsdienst in Köln

1913/1914

2. Ing.-Insp., b.Stabe der Festtungsinspektion

 

Im Kriege zwischenzeitlich Kdr des Pion.-Btl. Nr. 21

18.04.1916

Major

Erl 1926

Oberstleutnant a.D. (St.O.Pi 157)

 

Orden & Ehrenzeichen :

 

1.

1897

Zentenarmedaille

2.

Okt. 1907

Fürstl. Schaumburg-Lippischer Hausorden 3. Klasse

3.

1907/08

Kgl. Siamesischer Elefantenorden Offizierskreuz

4.

27.01.1909

Kgl. Preuß. RAO 4. Kl. m.d.Krone

5.

Ende 1914

EK II

6.

Febr. 1915

EK I

7.

09.10.1915

Kgl.Sächs.Albrechtsorden RK 1. Kl. m.Schwertern

8.

Okt. 1916

Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz

9.

Nov. 1916

Hess.Allg.EZ für Tapferkeit

10.

18.12.1917

Kgl. Preuß.HO von Hohenzollern, RK m.Schwertern

11.

Jan. 1918

Bremer Hanseatenkreuz

12.

Mai 1918

Schaumburg-Lippisches Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914

13.

Dez. 1920 (!)

Preuß.Offz.-Dienstauszeichung

14.

1934

Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

13er Ordensschnalle Oberstleutnant aD W. Winkelmann_vs.JPG

13er Ordensschnalle Oberstleutnant aD W. Winkelmann_rs.JPG

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What a stunning, perfectly made bar, your pieces are alwys fantastic

Very interseting is that it took 24 years after becoming Leutnant to get hist first decoration (except the Centenary), knowing  that tells us again to appreciate small cheaper groups as much as these stunning ones, it took many years to earn them.

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Thanks for your kind comments... yes, very interesting indeed that it took 24 years before getting an order!

I'd be very nice though, to find Winkelmann's photo wearing his medals... ;)

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What I think is really interesting is his first award (after the Centennial). 

Wichard must have been recognized as a rising star.  Leutnant in 1893, Oberleutnant in 1900, makes Hauptman in 1907 and in October of that year recieves the Schamburg-Lippe House Order 3K!   The Siam award comes soon after.  In 1909 he picks up the Prussian Red Eagle 4K with Crown! 

He is being recognized by some influential people.

I hope there is a photo of him.

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Dear Claudio,

Another stunning piece!  You have such great taste, and a definite style in what you acquire.  I could probably review a catalog and correctly guess your next piece!
 
😃
 
Congratulations, my friend.  A beautiful bar on so many levels.
 
Best,
 
Jason

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18 hours ago, Claudius said:

What I think is really interesting is his first award (after the Centennial). 

Wichard must have been recognized as a rising star.  Leutnant in 1893, Oberleutnant in 1900, makes Hauptman in 1907 and in October of that year recieves the Schamburg-Lippe House Order 3K!   The Siam award comes soon after.  In 1909 he picks up the Prussian Red Eagle 4K with Crown! 

He is being recognized by some influential people.

I hope there is a photo of him.

Well, actually all this orders were given very likely for his connections with Schaumburg-Lippe rather than real merit (he got also the Treu und Dienste Cross almost in the end of ww1). Strangely enough his SL3 wasn’t upgraded with swords... Furthermore the Siamese (Thai) order was probably given whilst receiving a visit of Siamese officers or Royal family members who participated to some kind of Pionier military maneuvers or workshop pre 1914. So all in all his connections helped boasting his array of decorations on his bar, more than some mere mortal Infantry officer at the front....🤔

I have some beautiful and long bars which belonged to officers that haven’t even reached higher ranks than Major or Oberstleutnant, but they were able to get more exotic orders than even Generals, not to mention front officers!

C

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1 hour ago, JasonA said:

Dear Claudio,

Another stunning piece!  You have such great taste, and a definite style in what you acquire.  I could probably review a catalog and correctly guess your next piece!
 
😃
 
Congratulations, my friend.  A beautiful bar on so many levels.
 
Best,
 
Jason

Thank you Jason your words mean a lot to me! ;):thumbup:

39 minutes ago, 1812 Overture said:

Great order! I admire you

Thank you Sir! Admiration is a big word though I don’t deserve... 😉

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Very nice, maybe there is a photo of him out there somewhere.

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Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Paul C said:

Very nice, maybe there is a photo of him out there somewhere.

Thanks a lot for your kind words!

C

3 hours ago, Stogieman said:

Beautiful group Claudio, Thanks for sharing

 

Edited by Claudio

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Hello Claudio,

As usual, your taste in bars is exquisite!  As I have said before, a bar this nice deserves to have its original owner identified as fully as possible.  So, here is his Wichard's pre-war career.

Andy

Wichard Winkelmann  (25.01.1871-29.01.1940)

29.01.40            in Hannover gest.

18.04.13-1914       Adj. d. 9. Fest. Insp. (Graudenz), v. 2. Ing. Insp.

19.07.11-18.04.13   z. Fortif. Dienst in Cöln v. 4. Ing. Insp.

[27.01.09           PRAO4mKr]

[00.02.08           SE4]

[00.10.07           SLH3]

27.01.07-19.07.11   Chef 4./Pion. B. 10  (Minden)

24.04.04-27.01.07   in 4./Pion. B. 10  (Minden)

17.05.02-24.04.04   z. Fortif. Dienst in Metz v. 4. Ing. Insp.

1901-17.05.02       in 1./Pion. B. 3  (Spandau)

01.10.98-1900       in 4./Pion. B. 3  (Spandau)

01.10.97-30.09.98   k.z. Dienstl. b. Gren. R.12

01.10.95-00.07.97   k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch.

18.04.93-01.10.95   in 2./Pion. B. 3  (Torgau)

18.04.93            Sek.Lt.

18.08.92            Port. Fähnr.

09.01.92            in Pion. B. 3 eingetr.

25.01.71            in Gardelegen geb.

Major     18-04-16 U

Hptm.     27-01-10 Cc*

Oberlt.   22-04-02 M3m**

Leutn.    18-04-93 Aa

*ern.     27-01-07

**ern.    15-12-00

 

 

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15 hours ago, arb said:

Hello Claudio,

As usual, your taste in bars is exquisite!  As I have said before, a bar this nice deserves to have its original owner identified as fully as possible.  So, here is his Wichard's pre-war career.

Andy

Wichard Winkelmann  (25.01.1871-29.01.1940)

29.01.40            in Hannover gest.

18.04.13-1914       Adj. d. 9. Fest. Insp. (Graudenz), v. 2. Ing. Insp.

19.07.11-18.04.13   z. Fortif. Dienst in Cöln v. 4. Ing. Insp.

[27.01.09           PRAO4mKr]

[00.02.08           SE4]

[00.10.07           SLH3]

27.01.07-19.07.11   Chef 4./Pion. B. 10  (Minden)

24.04.04-27.01.07   in 4./Pion. B. 10  (Minden)

17.05.02-24.04.04   z. Fortif. Dienst in Metz v. 4. Ing. Insp.

1901-17.05.02       in 1./Pion. B. 3  (Spandau)

01.10.98-1900       in 4./Pion. B. 3  (Spandau)

01.10.97-30.09.98   k.z. Dienstl. b. Gren. R.12

01.10.95-00.07.97   k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch.

18.04.93-01.10.95   in 2./Pion. B. 3  (Torgau)

18.04.93            Sek.Lt.

18.08.92            Port. Fähnr.

09.01.92            in Pion. B. 3 eingetr.

25.01.71            in Gardelegen geb.

Major     18-04-16 U

Hptm.     27-01-10 Cc*

Oberlt.   22-04-02 M3m**

Leutn.    18-04-93 Aa

*ern.     27-01-07

**ern.    15-12-00

 

 

Thanks a lot Andy! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊 you’re the man!!!!

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Fantastic!

Congratulations. :cheers:

Wild Card

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3 hours ago, Wild Card said:

Fantastic!

Congratulations. :cheers:

Wild Card

Thanks Chris! ;)

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Posted (edited)

His full name was Carl Ernst Wichard Winkelmann and he was born in Gardelegen. He was awarded the Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz für Treue Dienste on 23.5.1918 as commander of Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 211.

Edited by Dave Danner

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Gratulation zu dieser Wunderbaren Spange 

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Thanks Rudi! 

Some better pictures of the bar.

Enjoy!

regards,

Claudio

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