order_of_victory Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Just remined to post a pic of my BoH, I have been asked to do a new display of Soviet Medals this time soviet labour awards (Rebulding after World War II), and I dug out my BoH for the Dispaly heres a couple of pics.Type 4 Variation 1 its number is 235268. Still looking for my documented version............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Hi all,My modest contribution. Type 4 Variation 2 S/N 908799 date range April 1971 to December 1973 (Thanks Darrell!).[attachmentid=46639][attachmentid=46640] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Just found this topic, very interesting.Both 19.XXX screwbacks are fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 MONDVOR,If you are referring to the two screwbacks posted by Ed Haynes, You are wrong. Ed, doesn't buy or post garbage. Since he bought them they are genuine. You just have to know the caliber of a collector that Ed is. Best, Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 OK, OK - I'm wrong. Do not even pay attention at my words...I do not even have a desire to argue with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 OK, OK - I'm wrong. Do not even pay attention at my words...I do not even have a desire to argue with you Personally, I value your opinion. Yet to just say "they are fakes" -- implicitly just because you say so -- leaves the discussion incomplete. Why do you think they are fakes? Just this bold and unsupported statement means little. This leads into the phoney expert "it is a fake because I say so" self-important attitude that poisons so many online fora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Just few pictures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 And more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) More... Edited July 13, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Now my explanation. All observed BH in 19.XXX serial number range have unique mint mark configuration. Orders 19261 and 19844 have different mintmarks (they even different from each other). They both have fake patina. This patina color is not natural. Rivets positions are different on both orders. Letters CCCP on the obverse are different in size and shape. Did you show them to Mc Daniel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Now some pictures of fakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Another fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) FInally at last I have picked up one with a doc off ebay, its a higher number than I would of liked.Its a Type 4, Var 2. No 1435998.Heres the sellars picOrder of Victory Edited July 16, 2006 by order_of_victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 MONDVOR,My apologies if I offended you. That was not my intention. I was suprised to hear that Ed's two ORBs were referred to as fakes. I, too, would like to hear your reasoning behind your statement. Are you referring to the rivets and/or screwpost?Again, to offense intended. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 MONDVOR,My apologies if I offended you. That was not my intention. I was suprised to hear that Ed's two ORBs were referred to as fakes. I, too, would like to hear your reasoning behind your statement. Are you referring to the rivets and/or screwpost?Again, to offense intended. DocThat's OK, Doc, no problem But I was talking about BHs, not RBs. I already explained why I consider them to be fakes and illustrated my opinion with some pictures. First of all this is a mintmark, than this is privets position, fake patina and unusual handwriting in serial number. I beleive that one of them (19261) was made out of regular suspension type s/n around 100.000. They cut out the loop, changed serial number and soldered fake screwpost. BTW sometimes they use real screwposts from Red Stars in 100 - 200.000 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 MONDVOR,Thank You!! Seeing your pictures and the text of your post things make sense now. DocThat's OK, Doc, no problem But I was talking about BHs, not RBs. I already explained why I consider them to be fakes and illustrated my opinion with some pictures. First of all this is a mintmark, than this is privets position, fake patina and unusual handwriting in serial number. I beleive that one of them (19261) was made out of regular suspension type s/n around 100.000. They cut out the loop, changed serial number and soldered fake screwpost. BTW sometimes they use real screwposts from Red Stars in 100 - 200.000 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 FInally at last I have picked up one with a doc off ebay, its a higher number than I would of liked.Its a Type 4, Var 2. No 1435998.Heres the sellars picOrder of VictoryCongrats! Looks like a beautiful piece for sure! Sadly none of my had the docs but I love them all the same. But I too hope to have some with docs someday.Thanks for sharing. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Interesting reading and I like the different examples shown of what's right/what's not. Thanks Andrei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Glad you like it Dan I realy seem to have a soft spot for documented medals, Iam spoused to be saving up for a Order of Personal Courage, and keep seeing niice medals with docs on ebay at cheap prices, I need help Iam sure you will find a order with doc soon Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Glad you like it Dan:beer: I realy seem to have a soft spot for documented medals, Iam spoused to be saving up for a Order of Personal Courage, and keep seeing niice medals with docs on ebay at cheap prices, I need help Iam sure you will find a order with doc soon Order of VictoryTrust me, you're not alone. I sold my GPB and have payments coming on a few other pieces I sold as well. With what I made I decided to keep going on my Soviet collection and put my dream car on yet another hold. Hopefully within a year to a year and a half if things work out well I'll be able to get that.In the meantime, I'm desperately trying to stay focused on the Soviet collection... but other tempting things keep popping up and I have to keep it in my mind that I need to stay focused and keep passing up on them.It's hard... but worth it in the long run.And on documented pieces... I too am starting to suffer from that same addiction. Groups... even better. All things do come to those who wait... but getting a piece here and there... just puts the ultimate prize off a tiny bit. Hang in there, keep the faith and it'll all work out in the long run. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Thank you for the encouragement, I had to sell my dream car this year and still mourn its passing but im not paying ?120.00 on petrol a week only ?50.00 but that is Hope you get your car, can ask what is your dream car?Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Thank you for the encouragement, I had to sell my dream car this year and still mourn its passing but im not paying ?120.00 on petrol a week only ?50.00 but that is Hope you get your car, can ask what is your dream car?Order of VictoryA Marlene... here's a beautiful example.[attachmentid=47021] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 [attachmentid=47022]As I say... perhaps in a year to a year and a half... and I'll be gritting my teeth and pacing the floors the entire time. But it will surely be worth it.Thanks, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) Thats a pretty girl, it rather beats my dream car in looks department, stunning when you get one let me know and I'll come over to the States and have a propper look Order of Victory Edited July 16, 2006 by order_of_victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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