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Well guys after months of searching, I`ve managed to track down an LSGC, to my force, with original ribbon, box of issue and letter from the CC of Denbighshire Police 1952.

This is only the second medal I`ve seen to NWP, the other being a Special Constable`s LSGC, from the 60`s if I remember correctly. But it had been sold when I tried to buy it, as is often the case in our hobby, as I`m sure you`ll agree.

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Awarded to Sgt Llewelyn H Jones, Denbighshire, although letter from Chief Constable sent to Sgt Jones at Ivy cottage, Menai bridge, Anglesey, and its dated 26th november 1952.

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1901 census

Ivy Cottage Anglesey Llanfair P G Entire Llanfair P G Entire Anglesey Anglesey

Ivy Cottage Of Anglesey Llanfaelog Llanbeulan St Penlan With St Maelog Llanfaelog County Of Anglesey

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Anglesey County had its own force until 1950, then it seems to have joined Merioneth County and Caernarvonshire and became Gwynedd from 1950 - 1967. In 1967 Gwynedd was joined by Denbigh County and Flint County [called GWYNEDD] until 1974 when it became known as the North Wales Police.

Gwynedd HQ's 1951, 1962 & 1968 were in Caernarvon. However, Denbighshire HQ's were in Wrexham

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I have since bee relaibley informed that due to lack of space, and no way to copy them onto a computer- in the 90`s North Wales Police destroyed all the serve papers for all retired & no longer serving Officers.

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The problem Rick, is that these medals only have the recipients' ranks & names. Unfortunately - and much to the frustration of collectors - the force is not recorded on the rim.

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The problem Rick, is that these medals only have the recipients' ranks & names. Unfortunately - and much to the frustration of collectors - the force is not recorded on the rim.

I wonder why that is? Also why you have to do 22 years as Bobby to get the same medal that you`d get for 12 years in the Forces?

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Service requirement for medallic recognition is a very complex subject. There is no logical pattern. The eligibility criteria for certain awards have been amended on more than one occasion, both increasing and reducing the time served to become eligible for a medal, as have certain issues become defunct due to the re-arrangement of certain elements within the forces.

Also, the word 'forces' is a broad brush. There has never been a generic twelve year award - regular and reserve elements of the three services each having their own awards with differing entitlement periods - some 'metric' and some 'imperial', i.e. 10 v 12.

Playing off a Police LSM against a Royal Navy LSM's varying terms and conditions is pointless, as the appropriate issuing authorities determine who gets what and when. Niether is the police medal 'the same medal' as those awarded elsewhere.

Edited by Tony Farrell

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in the 90`s North Wales Police destroyed all the serve papers for all retired & no longer serving Officers.

And after that the rumours of dubious goings on with sheep in the local constanularies were put to rest due to lack of evidence.... or so i heard....... :rolleyes:

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And after that the rumours of dubious goings on with sheep in the local constanularies were put to rest due to lack of evidence.... or so i heard....... :rolleyes:

Ah, yes - the reason Welshmen now wear kilts apparently.

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On 6/2/2007 at 18:06, bigjarofwasps said:

 

 

 

 

I wonder why that is? Also why you have to do 22 years as Bobby to get the same medal that you`d get for 12 years in the Forces?

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It has recently been reduced from 22 to 20 years in the police. In the military it's 17 years not 12 for an LSGC. There are also additional bars available in the military, which there aren't in the police. It will be interesting to see whether this changes now that officers are required to work until their 60, you could serve for 42 years in the police, 20 years longer than in the military.

 

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In the 11 years since I started this post, I haven't seen a single other medal to a NWP officer!!!!!! The fact that the officers force isn't engraved on the rim doesn't help and I'm relying solely on any documents or packaging, like the one I started the thread with has made this a truly daunting task!!!!!! 

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