dphillipsd Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 For sometime now I have, in conjunction with my grandparents, been researching the history of one of our relatives; Unteroffizier Heinrich Martin who served with Rhenish Infantry Regiment 28 and was KIA on 28 March 1918. Whilst Rick and others were extremely helpful in providing information pertaining to the history of the regiment http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ead.php?t=14437I recently came into position of his death certificate and would appreciate any help in locating the place of his death: 'Moueby'. To this end, pictures of the above mentioned death certificate can be found at http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...d=1#post1469468. Thanks for any help in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I have been looking , but have been unable to find anything even similar. Perhaps it was just a small village and it ceased to exist in 1918. This happened quite often. For instance there were 9 towns around Verdun that were totally obliterated in 1916. They were never rebuilt. I would attempt to find a michelin map of the Pas de Calais area from pre WW1. I think that is your best bet for finding it.Dan Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 dphillipsd,I suppose that someone has already told you this, but assuming that your relative was with the regiment on the 28th of March 1918, it is logical to assume that he was one of the many casualties suffered on that day, when all three regiments of the division (185.Div.) attacked. They were in the area of Monchy le Preux (southeast of Arras).Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensF. Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Btw. he is listed in the database of the Volksbund (German War Graves Comission):Nachname: Martin Vorname: Heinrich Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier Geburtsdatum: 24.12.1898 Geburtsort: Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 28.03.1918 Todesort: nicht verzeichnet Heinrich Martin ruht auf der Kriegsgr?berst?tte in F?rin (Frankreich) .Endgrablage: Block 2 Grab 601 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dphillipsd Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated! @ Jens, already found that out and have written to the Volksbund, but thanks anyways!@ Chip, are you sure the regiment was with the 195th Division; I thought it was part of the 16th Infantry Division throughout the war? Edited July 4, 2006 by dphillipsd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have been looking , but have been unable to find anything even similar. Perhaps it was just a small village and it ceased to exist in 1918. This happened quite often. For instance there were 9 towns around Verdun that were totally obliterated in 1916. They were never rebuilt. I would attempt to find a michelin map of the Pas de Calais area from pre WW1. I think that is your best bet for finding it.Dan MurphyHallo Dan, with regards Verdun it was the villiages that got obliterated in the war around Verdun not towns, Verdun was the town for the area.Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 dphillipsd,It was the 185th division, not the 195th and the change from the 16th Reserve division was made in August of 1916.Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) with regards Verdun it was the villiages that got obliterated in the war around Verdun not towns, Verdun was the town for the area.Thank you for the grammar correction. " Dan, with regards Verdun..."?? tsk, tsk tsk. The point which you missed is that 9 "areas in which people lived with their homes closely together in a community" were wiped out. The inhabitants don't care what I call it, because all but a few died there. Dan Murphy Edited July 5, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dphillipsd Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Thanks for clarifying the point Chip; very much appreciated, and very helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Thank you for the grammar correction. " Dan, with regards Verdun..."?? tsk, tsk tsk. The point which you missed is that 9 "areas in which people lived with their homes closely together in a community" were wiped out. The inhabitants don't care what I call it, because all but a few died there. Dan MurphyHallo Dan I visited Verdun a few years back and from my understanding, most of the villages were evacuated of their civilian occupants, before the serious fighting started, after the war ended the area looked like the surface of the moon, scared with shell craters, littered with the remains of the dead, and tons of Ordnance from the fighting, so it was decided to relocate the people in other locations for safety.Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensF. Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 The following villages in the central battlefield were obliterated:DouaumontVauxFleuryHaumontLouvemontBezonvauxOrnesSo seven at all. The most other villages were heavily damaged, but those listed here were completely destroyed and never rebuilt. And it is true, that the most inhabitants were evacuated either by the Germans or the french just before or during the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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