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... My first Haube. A Prussian foot Artillery offices helmet for your consideration gents. All original .... further pictures to follow ... when I get the chance. jumping

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Very nice Mike and well worth the wait!

You posted this last night, you must be home from work by now biggrin.gif so where are the pictures.

Are the cockades original too? Please post some pictures of the parts inside we don't normally get to see. wub.gif

Tony

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Thanks Tony and Glenn. I'm going to get the pictures done after work tomorrow, so hopefully they'll be posted in the evening. Mind you, my camera skills aren't great but I'll do my best wink.gif

The lid is, as far as I can tell, all genuine, a little scared in places but that adds to it's appeal in my opinion.

Tony, the cockades are original and in fantastic condition, also the chin scales are the correct and original flat patten for Foot Artillery unlike the Field Artillery offices who had convex ones. There's a manufactures stamp on the calf-skin sweatband. The silk liner is a little torn but all original. The Rear spine is lifted away from the skull but this I think is through shrinkage of the leather. Overall not in bad nick for 110 years old. Best of all it's All Mine tongue.gif

Cheers,

Mike

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Well Gent's at last I've taken a few more pictures of my "Haube"

Here's a closer look at the chinscale strap ... flat scales as befits foot regiments. A very nice fire gilded Prussian "Wappen"

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Last one. This is the inside ... showing attachment nuts for the baseplate and the silk linning. I'm not sure if these nuts ever had washers beneth them. They don't look as if they have ever been removed though.

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Yes, very nice Mike!

Is it usual to have different square nuts holding the stars in place or is it the lighting making one of them look silver coloured?

Is the base plate painted? If not is it non-magnetic?

I've never seen a painted plate on officer's pickelhauben, only on ORs.

Tony

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Yes, very nice Mike!

Is it usual to have different square nuts holding the stars in place or is it the lighting making one of them look silver coloured?

Is the base plate painted? If not is it non-magnetic?

I've never seen a painted plate on officer's pickelhauben, only on ORs.

Tony

Tony, I'm not so sure about the one nut, it is a greyish colour and I think this could have been replaced.

The base plate is not painted and is non-magnetic. I'm not sure what it's made from?

There are only the two holes for the front plate that also have nuts and washers holding it in place.

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Rick, Oh yes I'm afraid I just couldn't resist this one. Like you, my knowledge of Haubs is minimal but I made sure of this one before I parted with the cash .... and it did come from a very well respected dealer in Texas wink.gif

Bob .... you never can tell .... that slope's in front of me and I'm starting to slide ohmy.gif I've got my eye on another one now speechless.gif

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Bob, how right you are about that slippery slope .... I'm slidding down it fast ..... :o:rolleyes:

This one's now on it's way to me ...better pictures will follow. I believe it has replacement chin scales but the rest of the haube is original. The picture I'm showing here looks like the fittings are in brass/gold ..but in fact all fittings are in silver.

Please let me know your feelings about this one.

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Cheers, Mike

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Lets see. Cruciform spike base, convex chinscales, all silver. I would say that is is for a Bavarian Chevauxleger senior NCO. The scales look good to me, this type with rivets showing would not be used by an officer, but on an NCO, OK. The perlring and the lack of star studs shows it is NCO. I do not know what regt. yet. Still a nice piece and the first one you displayed is super. You do not find them unpolished and in that condition very often. Keep this up and I will have to pull out my Id'd minty 164th with the Waterloo bandeau.

Dan Murphy

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Thanks Daniel for your comments. I beleive the helmet to be for an NCO/OYV in 1st Bavarian Schwere Reiter Regiment, 1897 model with the large Wappen. In fact it's arrived this morning so I'll get busy taking some closer shots.

Go on ... please show us your 164th :jumping: I've only seen a picture of one of these in Randy's new book ... so some closer ones would be fantastic. More important though is having one that is ID'd :o:cool:

Cheers, Mike

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Mike

Great spike! Unless it is specifically identified, this private purchase NCO helmet could be either the 1. Schweres Reiter Regt. or from the several chevauleger regiments (2,4,6 and 8). The peculiar faux rosettes on the chinscales were specifically used for the M-1915 officer's helmets (and presumably available for other ranks private purchase helmets who wore chinscales) and are fitted on M-91 posts. Very cool....

Regards

Dave

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Very nice wappen! The chin scales look questionable, but as Dave said M15 type. This should be cool to take apart.

I have a Bavarian that has a far later wappen. Not nearly as cool as yours, but it does not have M 91 posts but does have a bayonet spike.

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On the other hand, I have a Prussian pioneer that has the posts, but not the bayonet spike.

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Thanks Daniel for your comments. I beleive the helmet to be for an NCO/OYV in 1st Bavarian Schwere Reiter Regiment, 1897 model with the large Wappen. In fact it's arrived this morning so I'll get busy taking some closer shots.

Go on ... please show us your 164th :jumping: I've only seen a picture of one of these in Randy's new book ... so some closer ones would be fantastic. More important though is having one that is ID'd :o:cool:

Cheers, Mike

Mike,

Here you go, this was the best I could do at night inside with bad lighting. This was with a uniform grouping I got that belonged to Hauptmann d. R. Arnold Wilhelm Friedrich Ferdinand Heeren 1876-1974. The grouping was acquired from the immediate family by a fine gentleman and friend of the Heeren family after the Mr. Heeren passed in 1974. He went to college with the grandson of Mr. Heeren and met him numerous times. I have his entire family history, his geneaology back to 1580, and his military records from the Bundesarchiv.

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After graduating from Gottingen University in 1900, later Professor, Heeren joined Infantry Regt. 82 as a One Year Volunteer. In 1901 after completeing his OYV training, he arranged a transfer to I.R. 164 which was descended from units of the Kings German Legion, which his Great Grandfather, Grandfather and Great Uncle had fought in. Professor Heeren received his Patent as Leutnant der Reserve in 1904. He then pursued his career as a teacher and later Professor. He was promoted to Oblt. d. R. in 1913 and was called up with mobilization in 1914. Here is a close up of the wappen,

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Professor Heeren was thrice wounded in WW1, On August 16, 1914 during the battle for the Fortress City of Namur, Professor Heeren was wounded by a shell splinter, which tore away part of the left side of his nose. On Sept. 10, 1915 Professor Heeren was again wounded in the face and ears by shell splinters.He returned to the front on May 12, 1916 and was then wounded in the left forearm by a rifle bullet on June 27, 1916. In October 1916 he was sent to command the II Battalion of Infantry Replacement Troops at Warsaw and served out the rest of the war in that capacity. In 1934 he joined the Luftschutz as a Hauptmann z.V. and in 1940 was transferred to the Luftwaffe in command of a Luftwaffe Construction Battalion. He retired in 1943 as a Major d. R.. Here is another view of the helm.

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