order_of_victory Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 What do people think of this, currently up on ebay is this a fake or a intresting badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Not 100% clear or sure from these pics, but it seems this piece was not converted from a screwback to this peculiar pinback. Instead it looks like it was originally made that way! If it's genuine or not, just can't say! Let's see what the experts say.Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rboomsma Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 What do people think of this, currently up on ebay is this a fake or a intresting badge?I don't like it.It is some sort of reproduction I feel. There was no OPW ever made with that kind of clasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 That's really odd... Maybe made for a theater or movie? The quality seems too good for that though... A while back on another forum a guy posted a Red Star that was made by the German intelligence to use as an award to be worn by a German in Soviet uniform... Perhaps this was something like that? Though if it was, I'd imagine they'd put a screwback on it, as it would seem like a big difference being a pinback. Just a few random thoughts... :-)Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I don't like it. It screams fake!!! Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanirvine Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The discription says that it is Russian Jeweler's made.Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The discription says that it is Russian Jeweler's made.AlanLike Dave said the quality doesn't look too bad, I mean at least from these pics doesn't look as just another fake or cheap fantasy piece.Russian Jeweler's made makes more sense I guess.I just wonder for what purpose, and why that kind of German EK pinback?! Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I think the technical term here is "fake"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I think the technical term here is "fake"?Maybe, but all fakes I've seen so far have the regular screwback! Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Maybe, but all fakes I've seen so far have the regular screwback! DolfA bad and clumsy fake? Better than a good and artistic fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 What do people think of this, currently up on ebay is this a fake or a intresting badge?Let's just say it's an interesting fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Intresting, I never trust sellars discriptions on ebay after looking at Wearers copies of HSU.I quiet like the idea of it being made by a German for infullration reasons, if there ws more info to back htis up I would buy it just for that reason.Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I don't know, I just wonder if this is what is usually considered a fake, with the purpose of deceiving people.It seems to be of some quality!Even if observing it a 2nd time, the obverse pic immediately reveals it's not a genuine piece, the hammer and sickle (especially this last one) are obviously wrong.And with such a pinback, and no S/N, I just wonder if it was made with the purpose of deceiving, or if it was just a kind of replica that a jewller decided to make for some other reason! Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Alan,Sorry about my mistake in my earlier post. I knew that it had to be a jewelers work. That's why I said fake. I should have been more clear in my post. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I think we should determine the reason why this order was made. If it was made to fool other people (collectors), than we have to call it "fake". If it was made for theatres, movie performance or to replace own lost award, than we have to apply the word "copy".As long as we don't know what is was made for, I think we can call it "replica". In any case this is not an official production of Russian Mint. I have some better pictures at home (I'm on my job now). I can post them in the evening if anyone interested. It first appeared on the market about 5 years ago and we had a long discussion with Alex Filer and other fellow collectors about what it actually was... But we didn't come to any conclusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) MONDVOR,Some more pics would be wonderfulOrder of Victory Edited July 13, 2006 by order_of_victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 MONDVOR,Thank You for your post. It does clear some of the fog surrounding this piece. I look forward to your post of pictures Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Scans of this strange GPW.One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Three. Edited July 13, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Andrei,Thanks a lot for the detailed pics! Btw, what is that mark on the pinback, on the 3rd and 4th pics? Looks like those German EK maker's mark!Cheers,Dolf Edited July 13, 2006 by Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Dolf, third picture was too big to be posted, so I resized it in Photoshop.About mintmark I have no idea. I'm not a specialist in German awards... Edited July 13, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Dolf, third picture was too big to be posted, so I resized it in Photoshop.About mintmark I have no idea. I'm not a specialist in German awards...Andrei,Me neither, just what I see in other areas of the Forum. I mean it has some similarities with the makers marks I see on some pics posted by our fellow members collecting TR awards.Maybe Dave's suggestion that it could be a replica made by German intelligence, to be used by some spy or secret agent makes some sense after all! Anyway, this kind of pinback looks exactly like those on German EKs, as if it was made in Germany!Maybe some member specialist on TR awards could help with this, including trying to identify the mark.What's the number? 035? 095? Not sure!Thanks again for the great pics.Dolf Edited July 13, 2006 by Dolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Dolf, I've heard about "German Intelligence Replicas" many times. But I don't know what was the reason to make them. Hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers and officers were captured by German troops in 1941-43. Many of them were captured with their awards. Also real Soviet awards were available from dead bodies on the battlefields. So why make fake Soviet awards when you can use real ones?But I agree that pin style and mintmark look somewhat German-made. Could it be post-war replica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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