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  2. I think look like fake - modern mutation fake 🙂
  3. Hi ! I need more infos about Oberst (Colonel) in 1944 - Robert Thelen (* 23.3.1884 in Nürnberg) Thelen served in the Reichsluftfahrtministerium in Berlin between 1935-1944 as a constructor. 1944: retired - later died in GDR. Would be good, to see a photo of him in uniform. Which decorations did he earn between 1935 - 44 ? I would bet in WW2: KVK, Wehrmacht LSM/LSC and may be flower medal(s.) Thanks for help!
  4. Hi Chuck, I think this is fake cross. Turkish war crosses look like this: http://medalirus.ru/georgievskie-kresty/zovo-4-70406-86592.php Regards, Alex
  5. Austro Hungarian Signum Laudis and 1st class of Tapferkeimeidalle
  6. 2nd Foreign Legion REP patch. First a nice day to all. I have added various regimental patches of the Legion Etrangere in my collection. I searched the web for info and photos showing the patches on uniforms, unfortunately without success. Can someone please tell me if it was worn on uniforme, if so, in which period. Does anyone know a site where I can find infos Legion Etrangere patches. Sorry for my bad english. Thanks,any opinion and comment is welcome. Regards, Jannis.
  7. Hard to say... Do you have more infos? Maybe another page with the rank? For those questions it´s better to show the entire item.
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  9. Thank you for your answer Prussian! I don´t have the1881 ranklist too, so I´m not able to say who the officer is. Perhaps could be Restorff...with some imagination it could fit...I don´t know Daniel
  10. Well, cases aren't as cool as the regalia, but I keep encountering some additional variation that seems worth posting here on GMIC. I am trying to keep the information relevant to the Order of Ismail, not all Egyptian awards. Many images about case variation come from illustrations of the much greater number of examples of the Order of the Nile that appear on auction sites, so this post also includes label and case closure photos that are dominated by the Order of the Nile. Below are images of a case that is identified as for an Order of Ismail, class unspecified, from an archived past eMedals auction (Item: 9270). These images show a few details of case construction moderately well. The size of this case (288 mm long X 137 mm wide X 56 mm deep) indicates it would have been for either the 1st Class Grand Cordon or 2nd Class Grand Officer Class of this award. This example lacks its medal bed insert and one of its hinges is missing. View of the exterior lid of this Order of Ismail case showing the royal cipher of King Fuad I. The above image on the right is the underside of the same Order of Ismail case showing what appears to be a cloth or paper covering of this part of the case. Above is an image of the interior of the lid the same Order of Ismail case showing the most common J. Lattes labelling as noted in my 2 recent posts above. This is a view of the same Order of Ismail case showing the interior of the lower portion of the case without the medal bed, showing some aspects of the wood construction, the latch mechanism, supports for the medal bed, the interior side lining of white cardboard, possibly paper on portions of the center, and what looks like cloth on the base of the compartment to house either the 1st Class sash or the 2nd Class neck badge ribbon. Another variant form of push release catch hardware on a case of a 4th Class Officer Order of the Nile breast badge made by Lattes from a past auction (Item: W2594) archived on the eMedlas.com website (https://www.emedals.com/an-egyptian-order-of-the-nile-4th-class-by-lattes-of-cairo-w2594). No date hallmarks can be seen on the photos of the reverse of the breast badge, but the cipher on the case lid is that of King Fuad I. Push release latch mechanism with very slight design differences from that above on the eMedals 4th Class Officer Order of the Nile. This comes from a cased 5th Class Knight Order of the Nile made by Lattes from an April 2018 auction (Item: EG150) archived on the eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-knight-by-lattes-cairo-c-1924). One photo of the breast badge, and the auction description, identify a date hallmark of "Z" indicating a manufacturing date of 1924-1925. The royal cipher on the case lid is that of Fuad I and the Lattes interior case labelling is the same as shown in the 3rd photo in this post (and the 1st photo of my previous post from today). Another variant version of the push release latch hardware on a case for a neck badge of the 3rd Class Commander of the Order of the Nile made by Lattes. This example comes from a past auction (Item: EG146) archived on the eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-nishan-al-nil-grand-cordon-by-j-lattes-c-1930) that is misidentified as a Grand Cordon Class The neck badge exhibits a date hallmark of "E" indicating manufacture in 1930-1931. The royal cipher on the case lid is the same as the 2 illustrated in the 6th and 10th photos of my previous post today that are associated with sultanate period J. Lattes labels, suggesting (if this is not a re-used case) that this is an alternative cipher of Fuad I as Sultan rather than the other cipher of him as King after the end of April, 1922. A better image of the what appears to be the same form of push release latch as that shown above onto case for a 3rd Class Commander Order of the Nile (it may however lack some engraving of the upper hinge of the latch compared with the previous photo). This example is from an empty case for a 3rd Class Commander neck badge (Item: W5613) from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-iv-class-officer-case-by-j-lattes). The case is mistakenly identified in the auction description as a case for a 4th Class Officer award, and misidentifies the royal cipher er as that of King Farouk I. The royal cipher on the case lid is that of King Fuad I, however the interior J. Lattes printed label identifies Lattes as a purveyor to the sultanate as well as to the state (see image below). Printed label inside the lid of the above eMedals empty case for a 3rd Class Commander neck badge of the Order of the Nile. This label reads "J. LATTES, FOURNISSEUR DE S.H. LE SULTAN, ET DE L’ÉTAT, CAIRE", similar to the wording of the inscription to the paper foil Lattes labels shown in my earlier post of today, but including the phrase: "ET DE L’ÉTAT", and lacking the identification of their shop in Geneva. This stamp may have been created to bridge the period in 1922 between Fuad I's transition from Sultan to King (?). Another form of push release latch hardware on a case of a 4th Class Officer breast badge of the Order of the Nile made by J. Lattes from a past eMedals auction (Item: PM011) archived on the eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-4th-class-officer-by-lattes-of-cairo-c-1945). No date hallmarks are visible on the photos of the reverse of this badge, but the royal cipher on the case lid is that of King Fuad I. The J. Lattes maker's labelling inside the case of this same eMedals example of a 4th Class Officer badge of the Order of the Nile. This is the same form illustrated in the 3rd photo of my previous post from today on this thread. Another variant form of the makers' labelling for J. Lattes on the interior lid of a case for a 1st Class Grand Cordon set of the Order of the Nile from a January 2018 auction (Item: EG1243 ) archived on the eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-nishan-al-nil-grand-cordon-by-lattes-of-cairo-c-1940). It appears to read: "J. LATTES, FOURNISSEUR DE S.H. LE SULTAN, GENÈVE CAIRE". No date hallmarks are visible on the photos of the reverse of the sash badge or breast star of this cased set. The auction description suggests a date of c. 1940, however, the royal cipher on the exterior case lid is that of Fuad I, so that it should be on or before 1936. The identification of the Sultan on this interior was labelling suggests it predates April 1922.
  11. He is wearing an imperial crown badge on his sleeve. Does that mean he was a member of the Freikorps Heydebreck when this photo was taken, or was this crown also the sleeve-badge of the volunteer automobile corps before the end of WW1?
  12. That were some highly interesting posts - I learned a lot! To throw something in myself. The price the Generalordenskommission payed for a normal RAO4 was 9 Mark The price for the normal KO4 was 21 Mark So it was quite expensive in comparison with the RAO4
  13. Willy Tischbein was a member of the Kaiserliches Freiwilliges Automobilkorps. Their decorations often represented their social status, even though their rank was equivalent to a Leutnant. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Tischbein
  14. Dear fellow collectors, would anyone be able to help me with this officer? I came across this picture on the internet, his rankboards indicate 2nd lieutenant, but his awards are pointing towards a hauptmann rank. Did he perhaps have a higher rank in civilian life, or has he been demoted? Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  15. @ Dave/Daniel : What about a combination with -IC non combatant -prussian war aid cross -Anhalt Friedrichscross for combatants -Hamburg Hanseatic cross -Ehrenkreuz für Kriegsteilnehmer - LSM XII Do you have possible candidates ? I would bet, some kind of MIlitärbeamter in a lower rank.
  16. I have a few additional notes about case labelling to include here. The majority of examples of all classes of the Order of Ismail that show up on auction sites were made by J. Lattes of Cairo and exhibit significant consistency in the labelling inside their cases. This is not true for many of the Order of the Nile examples that appear as auction offers, and they provide some additional details on variants of the Lattes interior case labeling. I believe this is principally due to the apparently much greater number of medals of the Order of the Nile that were awarded and so available to modern collectors. This above format of interior case labelling is the most commonly seen for all classes of the Order of Ismail. As noted in my previous post that includes this same illustration, this comes from an empty case for a 4th Class Knight Order of Ismail offers in a current eMedals auction, Item: EGC93 (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-iv-class-officer-case-c-1950). This appears to be a form of the J. Lattes case interior labelling that may be the earliest type I have found of a J. Lattes maker's mark inside of a presentation case of an Egyptian award. I am basing my assessment of this as an "early" mark only on its simplicity and difference from all other Lattes maker's labelling printed in other cases for Egyptian orders and decorations that I have seen. This comes from a past eBay auction archived on the Worthpoint.com website for an Egyptian Devotion to Duty medal, identified as a 2nd Class silver version (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/egypt-medal-meritorious-actions-1917-1896628816). The auction description for this medal suggests a 1917 date, however, that is prior to the institution of this medal in 1920. An example of a printed Lattes maker's identification that I previously included as an illustration sourced only from Piccssr as the 2nd photo in my post of 14 November, 2017 on this thread. This image comes from a past auction archived on the Medal-Medaille website for a 4th Class Officer cased set of the Order of the Nile that includes a miniature (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?products_id=35). The legend "J. LATTES, FOURNISSEUR DE S.M. LE ROI D’EGYPTE & DE L’ÉTAT, LE CAIRE" (J.Lattes, supplier to H.M. The King of Egypt and to the State, Cairo) appears on a few other examples of the Order of the Nile offered on auction sites, but I have not yet seen this label on an example of the Order of Ismail. The auction description states that: "Early examples of the order are made by 'A.Lattes'; and late royal examples by 'Maison Lattes, J. Weinber & Co.' with an Arabic inscription to the interior of the case. The presence of the words ‘& DE L’ÉTAT’ suggest this example is towards the end of the ‘J. Lattes’ period." I have not seen A. Lattes marks nor any for Maison Lattes and J. Weinber (or Weinberg?). However, see the examples below in the 12th and 17th photos in this post. that identify Maison Latte with L. Rosen & Cie. I cannot distinguish the date hallmark in a low resolution image of the breast medal of the Order of the Nile shown on the auction listing. The cipher on the exterior case lid is of King Fuad I. Paper foil case label for J. Lattes reading "J. LATTES, FOURNISSEUR DE S.H. LE SULTAN, CAIRE-GENÈVE’” from a past auction archived onto Medal-Medaille website (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?products_id=1171). I previously included this image that I came across on Picssr in the 3rd photo of my post of 14 November, 2017 on this thread. I have now identified this case label as associated with this auction listing of a 3rd Class Commander neck badge of the Order of the Nile. The auction listing includes the following statement about the potential date of this piece: "...the maker’s mark referring to ‘S.H. Le Sultan’ rather than ‘S.M. Le Roi’ indicates that this example is a very early award, pre-1922. I do not know if the the cipher on the exterior lid of this case is that of Sultan Hussein Kamel, who established the Order of the Nile in 1915, or an early version of a cipher for Fuad I as Sultan. The version of this cipher is shown below from a photo of a better example on a case lid for a 2nd Class Grand Officer Order of the Nile. Images of these foil paper labels are moderately common in auction listings for the Order of the Nile. Another example of the paper foil J. Lattes case label from the approximately same period of the sultanate in Egypt (pre-1922). From a December 2018 auction (Item: W5561) archived on the eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-i-class-grand-cross-case-by-lattes) of an empty case identified as that if a 1st Class Grand Cordon (?) Order of the Nile. Case lid for the same empty 1st Class Grand Cordon Order of the Nile from the eMedals website. This is the same royal cipher that appears on the case lid of the above example of a foil paper J. Lattes label from a cased set of the 3rd Class Commander neck badge from the Medal-Medaille website. This same royal cipher appears in conjunction with auction site examples that provide views of the date hallmarks identifying the awards as made under Fuad I, suggesting it may be a variant earlier form of Fuad I's cipher during his term as Sultan prior to April 1922 when his titled changed to King (?). Detailed view of one variant of elaborate push release catch hardware on this same empty case for a 1st Class Grand Cordon Order of the Nile from the eMedals website. Another image of the foil paper J. Lattes case label from the period of the sultanate from a current eMedlas auction (Item: 5761) of an empty case identified as that of a 2nd Class Grand Officer Order of the Nile. All design aspects of this case appear identical to that of the eMedals example shown above that is identified as for a 1st Class Grand Cordon Order of the Nile. (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-ii-class-grand-officer-case-by-lattes) Photo of the open empty case from this same eMedals examples of a 2nd Class Order of the Nile showing the placement of the paper foil label on the interior lid. This is the same configuration as that of the labeling seen on the eMedals 1st Class case example shown above. Lid of the same eMedals empty case for a 2nd Class Grand Officer Order of the Nile showing the same royal cipher for this undatable case. Photo of the same eMedals empty case identified as a 2nd Class Grand Officer Order of the Nile showing the same catch release hardware as on the above eMedals 1st Class Order of the Nile. Photo of a satin ribbon maker's label in the normal upper left corner of the case interior lid for J. Lattes Order of the Nile that includes a partner I have not seen identified for any of the Order of Ismail. The insert ribbon reads: "Maison Lattes, L. Rosen & Cie., Le Caire." I have seen this label in other cases for the Order of the Nile, but have no information about J. Lattes partnership with L. Rosen or the chronology of this association. This is from a current auction (Item: W5562) on the eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-iii-class-commander-case-by-lattes). The printed labelling inside the upper lid of this empty case for a 3rd Class Commander Order of the Nile in the same position as seen in the examples of the Order of Ismail shown above in my post of October 19. This is the same inscription seen in the Order of Ismail cases and probably reads: "J. Lattes, supplier to H.M. The King of Egypt and to the State, Cairo". Exterior lid of this same eMedals current offering of 3rd Class Commander Order of the Nile case showing the royal cipher of King Fuad I. View of the pull release catch hardware on the same 3rd Class Commander Order of the Nile empty case. This shows a similarly elaborate latch hardware with the pull release catch ornamented with a laurel wreath as seen on the example of the Order of Ismail in my 19 October post above, 3rd from last photo. Detail of the elaborate pull release catch hardware on this same 3rd Class Order of the Nile case from the current eMedals auction. Although similar to the eBay auction example of the Order of Ismail case hardware with the laurel wreath on the pull release catch, this catch has scrolls only on each of the lateral sides of the button, and the catch shown in the 3rd to last photo of my 19 October post above also has scroll ornaments above and below the catch. Another example of the satin ribbon makers' identification for "Maison Lattes, L. Rosen & Cie., Le Caire" from a March 2018 auction (Item: W5131) archived onto eMedals website (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-the-nile-grand-officer-2nd-class-by-lattes-c-1925) of cased set of a 2nd Class Order of the Nile. This set is nearly complete, but lacks the neck ribbon for the neck badge Exterior of the case for this same eMedals set of the Order of the Nile showing the royal cipher of King Fuad I and a similar ornamented pull latch with the laurel wreath ornamentation as seen on the 3rd Class Order of the Nile case example above and on the 3rd to last photo of the eBay auction offering of a 2nd Class Grand Officer Order of Ismail case from my post of 19 October above. Although fewer examples of the Order of Ismail made by Tewfik Bichay (father) or Fahmy Tewfik Bichay (son) appear on auction sites, I also have a few bits of label information variability to add here. I have illustrated the printed name of Tewfik Bichay's workshop on the satin case lining in the 4th photo of my 17 September, 2019 post regarding the Eisenhower 1st Class Order of Ismail (made by Tewfik Bichay) above on this thread. Owain illustrated the same printed name in his post of 5 April, 2018 on this post for a 3rd Class Commander neck badge of the Order of Ismail made by Fahmy Tewfik Bichay. Both the Eisenhower example and Owain's use the spelling "Bichai". Owain's example is quite interesting also because the case is that of Fahmy Tewfik Bichay's father although the neck badge has the hallmarks indicating manufacture by the son Fahmy Tewfik Bichay This form of maker's identification appears to be the most common for the Tewfik Bichay workshop, however many fewer images of these marks are available on auction listings than for J. Lattes examples. I also included an oblique view of an embossed decorated foil paper Tewfik Bichay label for a 4th Class Knight breast badge the Order of Ismail in the 12th photo of my previous post of 19 October above. Unfortunately, I do not have a better image of that label. Below are a few variant Bichay labels I have come across on the internet. Except for the first 2 cases shown below, the others all are Republic period awards made and labelled by Fahmy Tewfik Bichay. Printed label on the interior lid of the Eisenhower 1st Class Grand Cordon Order of Ismail that reads: "TEWFIK BICHAI, FOURNISSEUR DE S.M. LE ROI" underneath an image of the maker's hallmark for Tewfik Bichay and another Arabic inscription (anyone want to volunteer a translation?). This may be the most common form of the Tewfik Bichay labelling inside cases of the Order of Ismail. As noted, this marking appears on examples made by Tewfik Bichay and his son Fahey Tewfik Bicay. From: The Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Museum & Childhood Home, 200 SE 4th Street, Abilene, Kansas, USA Printed label of Tewfik Bichay in blue ink ("TEWFIK BICHAI, FOURNISSEUR DE S.M. LE ROI"), similar to the version seen on the Eisenhower Order of Ismail example and Owain's 3rd Class Order of Ismail neck badge from his post on this thread of 5 April, 2018. This label includes a square frame around the label that is not present in those other 2 examples. This is from a current eBay auction of an Egyptian 3rd Class, Devotion to Duty medal in bronze (https://www.ebay.com/itm/EGYPT-DEVOTION-TO-DUTY-BRONZE-ORDER-MEDAL-OF-KING-FAROUK-ORIGINAL-CASE-RARE-/323858249749). Lid of the same eBay bronze Devotion to Duty medal showing the royal cipher of King Farouk 1. Plain foil paper label for Maison Tewfik Bichay case label from a March 2019 auction listing (Item EU16495) archived on the eMedals website for a 1st Class Grand Cordon Republic period case set of the Order of the Nile sash, sash badge, and breast star (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-republic-an-order-of-the-nile-i-class-grand-cordon-with-case-c-1955). This set is identified as dating to approximately 1955. Although the label is for the Tewfik Bichay workshop, a business card pasted into the bottom of the case (shown below) is that of Fahmy Tewfik Bichay (the son of Tewfik Bichay). Both the label above and the business card below give the workshop address on 40 Talaat Harb Street, in downtown Cairo and the telephone number ([202] 779558). Business card of Fahmy Tewfik Bichay glued into the base of the same eMedals auction offering of a 1st Class Republic period Order of the Nile. Photo of a gold foil case label of Fahmy Tewfik Bichay in a cased set identified as a 2nd Class Grand Officer Order of the Republic (Type II). The label is fixed to the lower left portion of the lid interior (above the compartment for the neck badge). This is from a current auction on the My Militaria e-shop website (http://www.mymilitaria-eshop.com/prestashop/home/8014-egitto-grande-uff.html). Military issue (1941) identity card of Fahmy Tewfik Bichay (spelled "Fahmi Tawfik Beshay") from a section of the MP Antique et Militaria website (http://www.militaria.qc.ca/air-force/south-africa.html) illustrating South African Air Force pins that the site moderator obtained personally from Fahmy Tewfik Bichay in the 1950s after he emigrated to Canada. (http://www.militaria.qc.ca/air-force/south-africa.html)
  17. That is a really nice stick, Bob. I’m jealous. More and more, I find my interest drawn to the era of policing prior to the establishment of the organized forces, especially the Public Office period. Artifacts from that time are among the scarcest of the scarce, and your truncheon is an important and valuable representative. Very, very cool! The number 55 provides food for thought as well. How many truncheons were on hand at the time, and how many men could be mustered for any given event. There had to have been some kind of organization, as well as some semblance of a rank structure. Alan Cook has a new book that, I think, covers that period, but I have not yet been able to get a copy and read it. Thanks for posting the photos, and congratulations on a fine acquisition. Mike.
  18. Hello ! Recently i got some new photos The shown pic was written in France in 1918. Now, i would have some questions: -Which rank? I think NCO -Is he an infanterist, or Jäger ? One the right collar i can see an "J". His name is Emil. He`s wearing a 2 place ribbon bar. I think IC & Baden MKFV (Militär Karl Friedrich) Thanks for help.
  19. Thank you Mike, and yes, you guessed correctly that I was the lucky bid winner of the P.O.H.G. truncheon, that incidentally I had been watching since it's first listing, but it was the above thread that further piqued my interest and spurred me on to purchase!. I have attached a few pics as per your request, albeit lighting conditions here in London are atrocious today, so if you or any other members for that matter require more I will endeavour to oblige. You will see the passage of time and normal Police work of smashing windows and knocking on doors, have taken their toll on this stick, but it still retains a good amount of its original condition and detail (note the number 55 on the reverse just above the handle!) to sit happily in any collection ( a very light clean and polish always does the trick, and you will for instance see the difference in respect of how the handle butt looks in comparison with the auction house listing's, and hopefully answers one of your questions Mike!?). Alan Cook, as you mention does have an example in his most excellent book (which I quite frankly view as a Bible on the topic!) and he also gives details of this public office and shows another style of such! A similar example as mentioned, also appears in E.R.H. Dicken's book of 1952 (The History of Truncheons). Interestingly Dicken asserts that these were in fact produced by Hiatt of Birmingham and distributed by Parker who stamped their mark on to the butt end!, for my part I have just lined up ten parker sticks alongside it on the dining table to look for clues!, all I can say is, there appears to be a very faint difference in the handle shape that would have been directly under where the leather strap would have affixed, but this is tenuous and really needs the interjection of 'Expert' opinion!. Dicken also mentions a similar P.O.H.G. example on display (at that time) at the Horniman museum, Forest Hill, S.E. London. It doesn't show at this time on their website, although a number of interesting truncheons do. I phoned them this afternoon and I am now going through the correct channels to ascertain if they have it in storage to view and then photograph!.. watch this space, but don't hold your breath!.
  20. I can't see the medals clearly, either but I found this on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Augustus_II,_Grand_Duke_of_Oldenburg#/media/File:August_II_von_Oldenburg_1902.jpg It's the same photo as the first in the thread but it's clearer.
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