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  2. A detailed picture of the impression from the star would be helpful, if there is one
  3. The grand cross is Los-Nr. 7450 for faster finding Interesting is that the case seems to have been swapped with the piece in Freiburg from his Nachlass (when he was still living most likely). In my theory it seems like this cross should have been given to the museum or archive but was in wrong case
  4. I've decided to let this opportunity go and focus on my American collection for now.
  5. Thank you, Waldo! That answers definitively the question of precedence. Perfect! I would only be interested in purchasing a copy because I am not a medal collector. I replicate uniforms and make medal and ribbon bars to complete the uniform displays. I hope to find another copy of this medal sometime. I would certainly welcome any help from members of this forum to find one. Thank you. All my questions have been answered. This forum is a terrific resource.
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  7. Hello Dan, regarding the leather, as a friend of mine who is an artisan says, leather is a living thing that should be treated the same way you treat your own skin. So if you put a hand cream of any sort stay reassured that it won't do any harm, it will just be absorbed. 🙂 Then, if you're not satisfied you can still think of alternative solutions... As for the oxalic acid, I don't know how it is regarded in the USA, I can speak for Italy and France, and here you can find it in its purest form in drugstores, DIY stores, cleaning products stores, etc. It's a white powder. Most helmet collectors use it freely to remove the worst rust from their helmets, I did use it in a couple of occasions as well. It is also used to whiten wood and clean hard surfaces. Of course, I wouldn't leave it around kids to play with, as I would not leave them with a box of powder detergent. Use a pair of latex gloves for extra precaution, but beyond that stating that it is "extremely dangerous", is, frankly speaking, nonsense. As far as you don't eat it by the spoon, sniff it in extreme doses, or anything else that I hope you would not do with any cleaning detergent, it's absolutely safe. Just FYI, you can check on Amazon the hundreds of people who used it for the most different purposes. If you are still not comfortable, I would say just check some common degreasers in commerce, and go with one of those, though the result might be a little less effective. Check out the composition, many of them will contain oxalic acid or other similar acids. Here's an Italian M33 that I found in Macedonia and cleaned conservatively with oxalic acid the way I described, just to avoid any further rust formation and remove major dirt:
  8. A cased Gold Cross, made by Zimmermann. And another Silver Cross made by Godet, with a nice patina.
  9. Hi Drugo. Many thanks for getting with me on this. I totally agree... I do NOT want to do a full blown restoration ie: stripping, etc. I simply want to clean it as well as I can and preserve it. I also agree it's a fairly nice one. Yes, was one of the Spanish CW ones. Was hand picked for me and I'm extremely grateful to the seller. However, on doing some reading my understanding is that oxalic acid is nothing to be fooled around with, can be extremely dangerous, etc. Not something I'd prefer to mess around with. Not even sure it's something I could easily come by. Can you recommend something else that is safer to work with that would give basically the same results? Also re: the leather, the seller thought it was white which he said was an early type so was going by that. As far as caring for that would saddle soap be good to use? (NOTE: I just checked that out and am leaving this for the benefit of others... seems saddle soap is not good as they tend to use lye in making it and it's very alkaline... so not good. So I'll go with the hand cream after cleaning with water as you suggested.) :-) Totally understand re: removing the liner. I looked inside as best I could and see that it appears there are metal tabs that are folded over, and I know that given the thin metal, age, etc., if bent they'd likely break off. So I won't even attempt that. But again, the oxalic acid is something that unless it's the only alternative (if I could even obtain it) I'd prefer to stay away from and use something safer if at all possible. I'll stay in a holding pattern for now. I'm in no rush on this as I'd rather take the time and do it right so it can be passed down for generations to come. Also I will take more pics as I proceed and be happy to keep posting them over time to show progress. Again many thanks for your help! Looking forward to your next reply.
  10. Hello Dan, please, PLEASE don't do such a thing! 🙄I never understood how this approach would count as "refurbishment". Would you refurbish the Monna Lisa by removing the paint from the canvas and redoing it identical? 😖 As for your questions, I think you found an Italian M33 probably used in the Spanish Civil War. These were usually painted over in darker green, as yours appears to be. Today, many are found in the US after a large stock was shipped to the States now some decades ago, and they are most often in very poor conditions. This one is actually quite right.... As for how to proceed, I would go for a light solution of oxalic acid and water (1/10 or even 1/15 to start with, then you can add depending on the result), passing it gently over the shell with a sponge in order to remove as much rust as possible and bring the remaining colour to the surface. Proceed this way until you're satisfied, in the end you can rinse it with some bicarbonate to be sure to remove all the oxalic acid, since it is a great rust remover, but in time it can confer a greenish patina to the metal, which you want to avoid. If it weren't for the liner, you could have simply immersed the shell in a bucket of water and oxalic acid for an hour or two, but you can't because of the leather. You can't really take off the liner from a M33, especially in these conditions, you risk doing more damage than good. I don't know what you mean by "white leather liner", I've never seen such. What you have there is in my opinion the standard Italian brown leather liner, it's simply very dirty and aged, and therefore looks lighter. I suggest to clean it with simple water and than massage it a few times with a hand cream, trying to soften the leather as much as possible. It will also bring back some of the original tan. If you do, show us the result afterwards! 😊 Best, Drugo
  11. All I know: many! Currently some collector friends are researching Godet's full range, but their work is still in progress and I do not have access to it. Anyway, there should be something published in near future. From craftsmanship and general look, I would assume this might well pre-date 1918. It is definitely not for a Prussian order. But, as they made awards for many different states and houses, it's not easy, if possible at all, to nail this down to a certain award. I think it's even possible (rather: likely) they used same generic boxes for different states, each with a fitting interior.
  12. As could I. The gartered St. George star of King George V of Hanover was possibly one of, if not the best German decoration that was for sale in the past years. It was at Hermann Historica, Munich, offered in their 74th auction, May 2017, with a starting price of 40,000 Euro - and remained unsold. It the was re-listed in their following 75th auction, November 2017, at 25,000.- Euro. After a bidder fight, it went for 36,000.- Euro plus fees - almost what had been asked previously. And probably not too much, for those who can afford it. I couldn't. Thanks for the additional pictures of these Royal treasures! I especially love the half-sized ones... so damn cute! However, one picture was added by mistake: The Red Eagle Order 1st class star. This doesn't have a Garter, but the ribbon of the Prussian Royal Crown Order, a feature in use only from 1860s to 1880s to signify the wearer held both 1st classes of mentioned orders. Also, from the picture, it rather looks like one of Andreas Thies' offerings, none from the Royal Collection. However, those are almost as rare to find as gartered stars!
  13. Now that was much earlier than I expected, but Künker's catalog went online right yesterday! Check this out: https://www.kuenker.de/de/auktionen/kataloge/326-329
  14. I can get a 1986 first edition hardcover version of the above book. Is it a good research guide worth the money?
  15. Dmiller, Thanks again. I have medals of all the US military branches with the exception of the navy and coastguard. I just ordered a bunch of miniatures and a US firm has posted ribbons of the medals I had at the point of ordering the ribbons so my plan is to get all my US medals together once everything arrive, order the appropriate ribbons and a ribbon mounting rack then follow strict rules of precedence. The reason I did not order a complete ribbon rack already is that I have a copy of a Medal of Honor (Air Force) with a display box, lapel pin and ribbon and the firm that sent me the other ribbons informed me that they are forbidden by law to supply ribbons or anything to do with the Medal of Honor. Considering their main business is supplying the military with medals etc it's unfair of me to expect them to supply me with something as simple as a ribbon that they are expressly not allowed to do.
  16. Hello team; I'm hoping that somebody will be able to identify the Forage Cap / Cap Badge / Uniform in the attached image. Best guess is that it's UK c. 1899/1900; and I'm hoping for an association to Northumberland and specifically the Northumberland Hussars, but I've not been able to fond that link thus far. Thank you in anticipation... Cheers; Lee
  17. Dmiller, Thanks for the reply. We are busy renovating the house in preparation for selling and moving to another town so with workers in and out the whole time I packed away my entire collection that's usually on full display in a nondescript box. Better safe than sorry. So any mounting/displaying will only be done once we're settled in the new house.
  18. Dmiller, Thanks for the reply. What I've read about old ''Blood and Guts'' Patton the ''discussion'' between him and the soldier involved probably was a very colorful conversation.
  19. Very interesting topic. I once wrote a post about the Georgs medal in the SDA, but in German. Here is the link: http://h2385226.stratoserver.net/wbb4/index.php?thread/61927-bayern-st-georgs-medaille-des-haus-ritterordens-vom-heiligen-georg/ There are many fakes of this medal. To distinguish between an original and a forgery you should compare exactly with the pictures in my article. There are only originals shown. Only the golden medals were awarded, the silver medals could be purchased and worn for donning the field uniform. Of these, however, only 11 pieces have been embossed. A gold medal was made from 15 ducats of gold and was therefore very heavy. They were minted in the Royal Bavarian Mint in Munich. The band rings were made by Eduard Quellhorst in Munich and most were marked with the manufacturer's stamp EQ. The Bavarian wearing regulations stipulate that the Georg Medal should always be given first place by civilians or military personnel. Here is a Google translation of the statutes Law and Ordinance for the Kingdom of Bavaria, No. 50, December 24, 1889, pages 665 - 666: Supreme ordinance, the foundation of a medal commemorating the celebrated on 8 December 1889 main festival of the house = Equestrian Order of St. George concerning. In the name of His Majesty King Luitpold, by the grace of God royal Prince of Bavaria, Regent We have decided, in commemoration of the main feast of the house of St. George, on the 8th of December, 1889, on which day fifty years have passed, since We entered the Order by Our Father, King Louis I, who is resting in God was taken to donate a medal and to prescribe over it what follows: §. 1. This decoration, which is "St. George's Medal "can only be members of the House = Order of St. George. We give it first to all the members of the order who were present at the religious festival on December 8, 1889. §. 2. The indefinite in a golden medal, their front of our bust image surrounded in the large master of the bayer of the luitpold, who portrayed St. George on horseback in battle with the lynx. The inscription on the reverse side reads: To commemorate the 8th of December, 1889 §. 3. The St. George's medal is worn on a sky blue silk ribbon with white and other border on the left breast. §. 4. The decrees of the St. George Medal shall be issued by us personally executed decrees. §. 5. The St. George's Medal remains after the demise of the holder the survivors circumstances. Given to Munich, 15 December 1889. Luitpold Prince of Bavaria of the Kingdom of Bavaria Verweser Quietude. Crailsheim. At the Most High Command: The General = Secretary: Frhr. v. Volderndorff
  20. I had heard a story that General Patton had learned of an American officer affecting the use of post-nominal letters signifying his combat medals and told him to stop that. Probably in a not very polite way of handling the matter. However, award abbreviations appear on DD 214 (discharge papers), so that is as close to post-nominal usage as can be expected.
  21. You may find this useful https://www.medalsofamerica.com/military-uniform-regulations
  22. Mounting and wearing US medals depends on the uniform regulations of the particular branch of service. The Army and Air Force require medals to be mounted in multiple rows as needed, without any overlap. They must be mounted in the correct order of precedence and the bottom edges of the awards must be on an even line. The Navy and Marine Corps are permitted to overlap awards on the uniform. The Marines are particular in that appurtenances such as award or campaign stars must be mounted vertically in the center of the ribbon, to allow for proper display while overlapping medal ribbons.
  23. If I recall correctly, Colin Powell, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and H. Norman Schwarzkopf, as the Theater Commander in the first Gulf War, were made honorary Knight Commanders of the Order of the Bath. President Reagan received an honorary Knight Grand Cross of the Bath. It's usually the senior ranking officers conducting liaison duties with foreign forces that are recognized with foreign awards. Instances of Americans serving with foreign forces such as the RAF Eagle Squadron during the Battle of Britain may have earned the appropriate British campaign stars along with the usual decorations for valor.
  24. Hi Jan You’re more than welcome. Jan
  25. ccj ,The book covers only until 1914 ,the Generals uniforms ,the Staff officers ones and those of the War Ministery officers. the Kunftige Friedensuniform was reglamented in 1915
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