Nick

Here is the link:

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/saj-train-p1.php

The U Tube vidoes are not as good and I think shows recruits in training. The above link shows them in a better light.

I saw some video footage of them in training and I was actually quite impressed with some of their drills. I wasn't sure of their status or if they still even existed. Thanks for the info.

Anyone got any information on this unit ?? Are they police or military ?

Thanks

This thread has run its course.

I will have the final word on this issue as I think it is my right to do so.

This issue has been discussed at length among the Club Staff and there is a general consensus of opinion among us on what is considered to be right and wrong for the good of GMIC.

What you percieve to be heavy handedness by certain moderators is actually an implementation of my instruction, so I have no issue with how this has been handled.

I am also realsitic enough to realise that military history is all fuelled by political events and that as such essentially politics cannot be avoided when discussing military history. But discussing recent or current events in an insensitive or subjective manner will lead to tensions, especially when there are members of this forum who had direct involvement with conflict from both sides of the fence.

Ed has summed it up very well in his previous post and on that note I close this topic.

I have removed some threads from this post.

For everyone?s information if a thread is removed from a listing it is usually a temporary measure implemented by a moderator and subject to my review. In some rare cases for breaches of club rules a topic may be permanently be removed. However I like to give a measured response and more often than not a topic will be reposted after offending posts have been removed. I am not online 24 hours a day and it may be a while before a topic is reviewed.

I have removed some offending posts from this topic which were clearly becoming politically motivated. I am not sure that such a recent conflict can be objectively discusses without politics or tempers entering the fray.

I would also like to remind all members that the main focus of this forum is Militaria. We are here to discuss military collectables. I accept a understanding of the historical military background to such items is obviously of importance and an integral part of collecting experience. However this forum is not here to raise political objections about the rights or wrongs of military conflicts, nor is it designed to give an audience to persons trying to further their own political viewpoint or agenda.

Just for the sake of it a basic list which might save doing some looking up.

Prasidialkanzlei Numbers.

1 Deschler & Sohn, Munchen

2 C.E. Juncker, Berlin

3 Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid

4 Steinhauer und Luck, Ludenscheid

5 Hermann Wernstein, Jena-Lobstedt

6 Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart

7 Paul meybauer, Berlin

8 Ferdinand Hoffst?ter, Bonn am Rhein

9 Liefergemeinschaft Pforzheimer Schmuckhandwerker

10 Forster und Barth, Pforzheim

11 Grossmann & Co., Wien

12 Frank und Reif, Stuttgart

13 Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen

14 Lauer, N?rnberg

15 Friedrich Orth, Wien

16 Alois Rettenmaier, Sch?bisch Gmund

17 Schwerin&Sohn, Berlin

18 Karl Wurster KG, Markneukirchen

19 E. Ferd. Wiedmann, Frankfurt an Main

20 C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim

21 Gebr. Godet & Co., Berlin

22 B?rger & Co., Berlin

23 Arbeitsgemeinschaft f?r Heeresbedarf

24 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, graveur und ziselierung, Berlin Hanau am Main

25 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der graveur

26 B.H. Mayer?s Kunstprageanstallt, Pforzheim

27 Anton Schenkl?s Nachfolger, Wien

28 Eugen Schmidthaussler, Pforzheim

29 Hauptmunzamt, Berlin

30 Hauptmunzamt, Wien

31 Hans Gnad, Wien

32 W. Hobacher, Wien

33 Friederich Linden, Ludenscheid

34 Willy Annetsberger, Munchen

35 F.W. Assmann, Ludenscheid

36 Bury & Leonhardt, Hanau

37 Adold Baumeister, Ludenscheid

38 AG MuK, Gablonz

39 Rudolf Berge, Gablonz

40 Berg & Nolte, Ludenscheid

41 Gebr. Bender, Oberstein

42 Bindermann & Co., Oberkassel bei Bonn

43 Julius Bauer Sohne, Zella Mehlis

44 Jacob bengel, Idar/Oberstein

45 Franz Jungwwirth, Wien

46 Hans Dopller, Wela Oberdonau

47 Erhard & Sohne A.G., Schw?bisch-Gmund

48 Richard Feix, Gablonz

49 Richard Feix Sohne, Gablonz

50 Karl Gschiermeister, Wien

51 Eduard Gorlach &Sohne, Gablonz

52 Gottlieb und Wagner, Idar/Oberstein

53 Glaser & Sohn, Dresden

54 Gebr?der Wegerhoff, L?denscheid

55 J.E. Hammer & Sohne, Geringswalde

56 Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim

57 Karl Hensler, Pforzheim

58 Arthur Jokel & Co., Gablonz

59 Louis Keller, Oberstein

60 Katz & Deyhle, Phorzheim

61 Rudolf A. Karnethz & Sohn, Gablonz

62 Kerbach & Osterhelt, Dresden

63 Franz J. Klami & Sohn, Gablonz

64 Gottlieb Fr. Kech & Sohn, Pforzheim

65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein

66 Friederich Keller, Oberstein

67 H. Kreisel, Gablonz

68 Alfred Klobloch, Gablonz

69 Alois Klammer, Innsbruck

70 Lind & Meyrer, Oberstein

71 Rudolf Leukert, Gablonz

72 Franz Lipp, Pforzheim

73 Franz Mohnert, Gablonz

74 Carl Maurer Sohn, Oberstein

75 Franke&Co,L?denscheid

76 Ernst L. Muller, Pforzheim

77 Bayrische Hauptmunzamt, Munchen

78 Gustav Miksch, Gablonz

79 Matthias Kutsche, Attendorn

80 G.H. Osang, Dresden

81 Oberhoff & Cie., Ludenscheid

82 Augustin Prager, Gablonz

83 Emil Peukert, Gablonz

84 Carl Pellath, Schrobenhausen

85 Julius Pietsch, Gablonz

86 Paulmann & Crone, Ludenscheid

87 Roman Palme, Gablonz

88 Werner Redo, Saarlautern

89 Rudolf Richter, Schlag bei Gablonz

90 August F. Richter KG, Hamburg

91 Josef Rossler & Co., Gablonz

92 Josef Ruckert & Sohn, Gablonz

93 Richard Simm & Sohne, Gablonz

94 Ossenberg-Engels, Iserlohn

95 Adolf Scholze, Grunwald

96 Robert Klein Wien

97 AE Kochert, Wien

98 Rudolf Souval, Wien

99 Schwertner & Cie, Granz-Eggenberg

100 Rudolf Wachtler & Lange, Mittweida

101 Rudolf Tam, Gablonz

102 Philipp Turka, Wien

103 August G. Tam, Gablonz

104 Heinrich Ulbricht?s Ws, Kaufing

105 Heinrich Vogt, Pforzheim Schwanenstadt/Oberdonau

106 Bruder Schneider AG, Wien

107 Carl Wild, Hamburg

108 Arno Wallpach, Salzburg

109 Walter & Henlein, Gablonz

110 Otto Zappe, Gablonz

111 Zierner & Sohn, Oberstein

112 Argentor Werke Rust & Hetzel, Wien

113 Hermann Aurich, Dresden

114 Ludwig Bertsch, Karsruhe

115 Richard Sieper&S?hne, L?denscheid

116 Funk & Bruningshaus, Ludenscheid

117 Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal

118 August Menze &Sohn, Wien

119 Alfred Stubbe, Berlin

120 Franz Petzl, Wien

121 Imme&Sohn, Berlin

122 J.J. Stahl, Strassburg

123 Bech, Hassinger & Co., Strassburg

124 Rudolf Schanes, Wien

125 Eugen Gauss, Pforzheim

126 Eduard Hann, Oberstein

127 Mortiz Hausch AG, Pforzheim

128 S. Jablonski & Co., Ludenscheid

129 Frits Kohm, Pforzheim

130 Wilhelm Schroder & Co., Ludenscheid

131 Heinrich Wander, Gablonz

132 Franz Reischauer, Idar/Oberstein

134 Otto Klein & Co., Hanau

135 Julius Mosersen, Oberstein

136 J Wagner & Sohn Berlin

137 J H Werner Berlin

138 Julius Maurer Oberstein

139 Hymmen & Co Ludenschied

140 Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid

141 Sohni Heubach & Co Oberstein

142 A D Schwerdt Stuttgart

LDO Leistungs Gemeinschaft der Deutscher Ordenshersteller Numbers.

L/10 Deschler & Sohn, Munchen

L/11 Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid

L/12 C.E. Junker, Berlin

L/13 Paul Meybauer, Berlin

L/14 Friedrich Orth, Wien

L/15 Otto Schickle, Pforzheim

L/16 Steinhauer & Luck, Ludenscheid

L/17 Hermann Wernstein, Jena Lobstedt

L/18 B.H. Meyer?s Hofkunstprageanstalt, Pforzheim

L/19 Ferdinand Hoddstatter, Bonn

L/21 Forster & Barth, Pforzheim

L/22 Glaser & Sohn, Dresden

L/23 Julius Maurer, Oberstein

L/24 Frits Zimmermann, Stuttgart

L/25 A.E. Kochert, Wien

L/26 Klein & Quenzer, Idar Oberstein

L/50 Gebr?der Godet, Berlin

L/51 E. Ferdinand Wiedmann, Frankfurt a. M.

L/52 C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim a. Main

L/53 Hymmer & CO., Ludenscheid

L/54 Schauerte & Hohfeld, Ludenscheid

L/55 Rudolph W?chtler & Lange, Mittweida

L/56 Funcke & Bruningshaus

L/57 Boerger (B?rger) & Co, Berlin

L/58 Rudolf Souval, Wien

L/59 Alouis Rettenmaier, Schwabisch-Gmund

L/60 Gustav Brehmer, markneukirchen

L/61 Friederich Linden, Ludenscheid

L/62 Werner Redo, Saarlautern

L/63 G.H. Osang, Dresden

L/64 Asmann & Sohm, Ludenscheid

L/65 Franke & Co. KG, Ludenscheid

L/66 A.D. Schwerdt, Stuttgart

Guys

There seems to be other agendas at work here. I welcome interesting debate, which remains civil. There seems to be undercurrents of hostility and sarcasm in abundance here, which does not make for a friendly forum. We are all here to learn no matter what our experience levels are and a compelling argument can make interesting reading.

But sarcastic and spiteful comments are not welcome.

Seems to be more speculation and conjecture than hard facts on the websites, but I leave it for others to make their minds up.

I am lucky enough to regularily get to Germany a couple of times a year. Thats where my best buys come from. Apart from some of the goodies I have picked up here through GMIC.

Cheers Don

Here is another similar type, but I guess for the FAD as opposed to the RAD.

Another recent purchase. RAD style civilian membership pin for Arbeitsgruppen 87

Thanks for that explanation of what the RAGD is, I was not sure if it had something to do with ambulances or patients, but that explains it. Thanks

The pin is quite small and hard to get a good image of, but I will try and get a clearer version for the database.

Don I got it from DN for a reasonable price, so I thought it best not to pass up on. I will post some more goodies later.

Nick

Another recent purchase, Reichsverband ambulanter Gewerbetreibender Deutschlands.

I bought this interesting stickpin on Friday. I am treating it as a day badge as opposed to anything else. It came with a lot of LAH items from one man. Not to say it is anyway SS but inclined me to think it was either political or maybe sports associated ?

Just to let you all know that Micha (Motorhead) has joined the team to help run the Iron Cross Forums.

I am not sure the tinnie posts would generate enough interest to warrant their own forum.

The whole point of the database is to have a visual reference resource which is easily searchable. The trouble with the forum is that although it is an excellent discussion resource you can't search it solely for pictures and sometimes with tiniies and some membership badges thats all you have got to go on.

I am working on a fix which will enable you to post any uploaded picture to the forum and database at the same time.

Colin

I certainly agree with you on this one. There are some fantastic tinnies buried among the pages of this topic. I have some ideas how to do this but it does need some assistance and agreement from members. I would like to split the tinnie thread into categories as suggested, not too many but enough to thin things out a bit. I would also like to upload all the photos into the very much underestimated tinnie database which gives a pictorial reference for the tinnies enabling you to browse lots of pictures at one time. If there is a general consensus of agreement from members allowing me to move their pictures I will undertake this laborious task myself.

I am disappointed with the response to the database as so far only Claymore has been good enough to double post pics in the main thread and pics in the database. I am working on updating the software to allow you to post a picture in the database at the same time you post it into a topic thread to make life easier. At the end of the day we could achieve over a few years of contribution a colour online reference which could equal the Tieste books if not surpass them !!!

Rick

Only you can add text below items under add comments.

Gerd

Not sure that is possible re the technical request, let me see.......

Nick

Stephen

Thanks for the input. These badges always seem to spark some debate.

The hollow backed award I sold as a repro a few years ago for about $20 as the consensus of opinion on WAF was it was fake. I was always happy with the finish, but the pin catch always was a little suspicious, if it is a good one someone has got a bargain.

As for the solid backed award. It is a heavy badge which the photos may not do justice to, I would be interested to hear more opinion's on both especially the solid backed one as it came from DN and can always go back.

Several variants, the original rally badge and a later variant which came in both hollow back and solid back form. The only hollow back photos I have are of a fake badge, but there were original hollow backed awards.

Your photos are not good enough for me to comment on, I just posted it for information.

Another fantasy I am sure someone has posted before is the Deutsche Rotes Kreuz Alpen Rettungdienst He/H? 5601dt.

What about He/H? N1 05 is this another one in the same vein as the hunting badge above ?

Anyone list anymore fantsy items in Heering & H?sken ?

Another fake SS stickpin

Here is a fake hollow backed.

Here is an original solid backed one for comparison

The badge itself is the city of Nurnberg coat of arms, I can't read the wording from the picture (other than Nurnberg).