paddywhack

cool thanks for that!the gazzette site is a pain to use!:)

and the MSM card!!!any help would great!! :beer:

the back!!

the mic front!

picked up this lovely MSM from a dealers website and while researching the MSM i found that actually its quite a under appreciated award considering just over 26k (immediate MSMs)of them were awarded in ww1 versus 115k of the MM! but my question is on the rank

its named to S/4697 Temp Sub Conductor J McGaffney R.A.O.C , the rank is a unusual one, how long would the temp rank be held for as it seems he had this through most of his service in France then if his MIC is correct through to his service in Iraq(the MIC quotes he has a GSM with Iraq clasp) the other question is while i have his MSM card i cant found out why it was awarded!from what iv read most MSM didnt actually have a citation so would this be the case as well?

and finally one question on the ROAC is there any site i can find to show where it was in France and Iraq??or is the fact its a ordnance corps means its to big to find a specific unit??!

ANY help would be greatly appreciated! :beer:

i bought of off another forum a framed b-17 print and uniform to the same guy and the frame when it was put in the box the sender put the glass frame on the side that had one thin layer of bubble wrap and the other side had a ton of bubble wrap and styro-foam so as soon as it went into mail the glass was TOTALLY smashed to bits and went through the box if the seller had turned it the other way the glass could well of survived!!on the other side of posting stories i got a hj dagger in the post and it had been encased in a tube that was so well wrapped took me ages to take out but was perfectly received!!

i was looking at some other BEMS on this other forums thread

http://www.britishmedalforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=161&t=62781

and seems that others have seen tool marks similir to mine on the rims of BEMs!

but timo WHO set up,ran,set regulations for the force,paid the pay,paid the pensions for this force? the british goverment did!yes its true that these were for irish people BUT its not a irish bar as its a british run force! it would be like saying the zulu medal to a local african is an african award! as the irish goverment and state didnt exist till 22 this cant be an irish bar.

take a look at this link

http://irishconstabulary.com/topic/517

its states(correctly) "By Command of Her late Majesty Queen Victoria, and in gracious recognition of the services rendered by both Forces on occasion of Her Visit to Ireland from 3rd to 26th April 1900, a Commemorative Medal has been issued to all officers and men of the Royal Irish Constabulary and Dublin Metropolitan Police who were then on duty in Dublin"

so if the british king/queen is issuing these medals how is this an irish bar? its a brish medal to irish people ergo its a british bar!!!

looks like kev got there first though links and all!!;)

thats my point!ireland was under british rule till 22 so the earlist irish bar can only be from then!

just wondering if some forum members could help in a friendly argument!!on this thread

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=40961

Noor picked up a VERY rare and sweet 3 place bar to a policeman from pre ww1 with all the visit to ireland medals ribbons on it! now i say as the police force at the time was under british rule wouldnt that mean that it is technically a british bar to an irish police man??? Noor says it a pure irish bar but i say its british!! what you guys reckon??!!shall i be eating my words!! :beer:

ah maybe true but who was was issuing the medals! ;)

now technically as until 1923 we were under british rule wouldnt this be a british bar!!!

but still a SWEET bar pity you couldn't get the full bar!!!! :beer:

cool il take a look!would that canadian price be a standard price youd gaythanks again!

uh oh a certain forum member is going to be miffed when he finds this out!

but thanks for the info iv never even heard of this but i had wondered why it was on what i thought was the wrong ribbion!but that makes sense now!this a keeper for sure!what are the chances of getting the badge?? thanks again for all the info!:)

uh oh a certain forum member is going to be miffed when he finds this out!

but thanks for the info iv never even heard of this but i had wondered why it was on what i thought was the wrong ribbion!but that makes sense now!this a keeper for sure!what are the chances of getting the badge?? thanks again for all the info!:)

and the full bar!

heres a interesting 3 place ww1 and ww2 bar! the ribbons are pretty standard but the silver MID palm is the interesting bar though!i quite like it as its something iv not seen before!!!

anyone else have any silver MID palms?(sorry for the quality of pics my scanner is knackered so iv had to use my phone!!!)

PW, My concern is IMHO the naming is not correct for a BEM, it also looks to be skimmed, could we have a picture of the rim, I do however hope I am wrong, cheers, Paul

il have to get a friend to do its i just dont have a camera that can do those sorts of clear pics but hopefuly i can get it done in the next few days and il post em uo!thanks again! :beer:

nope they were right to mention it! made me have a good look at it but cant see anything to be honest!iv a erased MM and you can clearly see where it was erased and the ghost of the lettering etc!

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well i took my new magnifying glass out and had a god old strain of my eyes! cant see any ghost impression of digits or letters,i got a bit of water on the offending "R" and well it came away with a light rub(fear not i didnt clean it!!) il get a friend of mine to take more pics of it as i honestly cant see any ghost letter!plus why re-name it to the army service corps????

thanks though!! :beer:

haha this is also true!!!but your right about knowing that its renamed and that another collector doenst get burned if they dont know there re-named!! :beer:

its good to hear your not melting them down! the renaming of the medals no matter what we thing is part oft he medals history!!!!!at least they will be in a home now!! :beer:

very interesting though its a REAL shame that these will go to the smelter as they are original medals!!!

not surprised as sadly my last 4 research projects seem to have hit a similar brick wall!!!ah well!!thanks though!!! :beer:

could anyone help me with me finding his service records as i just cant find anything on ancestry and iv spent a few nights looking but not even sure im doing it right!!!!

any help or suggestions would be great!! :beer: