Les, I know, I know.... I think as time progresses, as the market continually gets flooded with fakes, newly made bars, etc. When a group shows up that is just... well, perfect. Prices will sail to the moon. New blood, lots of money.... and the rest of us will bemoan the "Good old days" At this point, I'll just concentrate on trying to retrieve pieces I sold. At least bring back home the ones I know to be good. Docs, groups, etc. to a flyer.... documented 1870 repeat spange.... this is like the Holy Grail for an EK collector! I expect this group to end up over 10K for all of it. Frankly, the 1870 bar and pix is the real prize IMO.