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    Stogieman

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    1. 3 hours ago, bolewts58 said:

      I've owned cased Grand Cross sets of both the Order of Albert the Brave and St. Henry Military Order and the cases by G.A. Scharffenberg, Dresden were gilt printed and the coat of arms incused. I have never seen any original case even remotely like this. Original cases always had the Scharffenberg name and address printed in the upper lid as well as a green and white Scharffenberg paper label on the bottom together with another white paper label from the ribbon maker C.E. Kunath, Dresden. The same is true of other Saxon makers such as Alfredn Roesner, Glaser u. Sohn, and Mortiz Elimeyer, not to mention other makers of Saxon orders like Godet and Rothe.

       

      So it's odd that whoever is faking these would create something that IMO never existed in history.

      Good Morning! I agree with you wholeheartedly on post 1900 cases. I’ve owned a substantial number of Saxon pieces over the years that I’ve collected. The title and seals were incused into the lids. The WW1 era examples I’ve handled were usually red. I’ve seen interior maker marks and paper labels for Scharffenburg but not Roessner, Glaser or Osang. They often had the Kunath label as well. The pre-WW1 cases I’ve handled were often black or green but those often did not have a maker mark although the pieces themselves usually did. 
      When I first saw the original listing I made the incorrect assumption that the case was circa 1870, or possibly earlier. The original images from the seller it appeared to have some legitimate age to it (see below), maybe he used a filter to mask the real appearance.

      Bottom line, I made a huge mistake. My concentration right now has been narrowed to almost strictly the St. Henry Order, although Saxon enlisted items are also a huge draw to me. The Albert Order seems to be being massively faked right now. I have yet to see faked Saxon Merit Orders but that’s probably just a question of time until that happens unfortunately. I’ve seen very bad copies of St. Henry RKs but they are easily distinguished from the real ones.

      Live and learn people, our hobby has become a minefield.

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