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  1. Hello. Here is a photo of Michelmann's bar and badges that sold for appx. $1,400.00 including commission. I was a bidder but dropped-out at around $1,000.00. The actual hammer price was around 3 times higher than the estimated hammer price. What struck me about this bar is that the spacing between the awards and corresponding exposure of ribbons is uncommonly wide resulting in a much longer bar than one would expect for 8 awards. Regards.
  2. Hello. Normally I have to enlarge a photograph to determine if something is cast. In the case of the cross that started this thread, that would be an unnecessary exercise. Unfortunately, this cross exhibits the typical and unmistakable characteristics of a casting. Regards.
  3. Hello. Very interesting discussion about spotters. I have one small contribution that may be helpful. (???) I fail to see a gothic "W" on the OP's boards. For me it is a gothic "M" because the two support braces (Stützstreben) at the bottom are there simply there to keep the flimsy stamped device from deforming. There are only two mounting-splints on the middle portion of the "M" and without support-braces for the bottom openings, the two fragile, outer-legs of the "M" would easily bend and warp. Regards.
  4. Hello. I'm afraid you may have missed the point. The work you are undertaking as you have described it cannot, in any sense, be considered a restoration. With a restoration, one disturbs as little as possible and preserves or re-uses any and all original elements of the bar. However, it appears that your goal is to dismantle the bar and to re-construct it into a pristine example looking close to the way it did when it was new. The bottom line is that you are effectively eliminating the bar's desirability as a historical artifact. It would generate little - if any - serious interest from sophisticated and discriminating collectors. Regards.
  5. Hello. Don't be so quick to take such a statement as a compliment. In a forum like this, completely overhauling bars is a very controversial topic among many experienced and respected collectors. It is frowned upon by many... not just by the purists! One of the primary arguments against this practice is simple. A bar is created that "sort-of" looks authentic... using period-original medals, ribbons, fabric, thread, and hardware... but is actually a modern "re-do". It wouldn't be an issue if the item were to remain in your possession for your personal enjoyment for the rest of eternity and never reach the collector's market... WHERE it could and would potentially deceive people into thinking that it is something that it is not. Ironically, you already provided us with a demonstration of this phenomenon. This morning on Wehrmacht Awards Forum's E-Stand, you listed and subsequently sold one of your completely redone medal bars. It features fresh, bright-colored ribbons and a modern, red felt backing. Unfortunately, you forgot to disclose in your description the fact that it was a brand-new creation: https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/forum/the-militaria-e-stand/medals-badges-awards-table/12407223-2-place-medal-bar-kvk-ostmedaille There is a HUGE difference between restoration (with an eye toward preservation) and complete reconstruction. I'm not going to delve into the elements of the differences because this would be a vast subject to cover. But I think most of the readers here will understand and appreciate what I'm talking about. Regards. p.s Luckily, you didn't post this in the German SDA Forum. You'd be verbally crucified... and that's no exageration.
  6. Hello. The 8th WIDE ribbon is an imperial Austrian Red Cross Honor Cross, not the Tirol Commemorative. This Red Cross ribbon has a very narrow Austrian War Commemorative ribbon wrapped around its left side. And considering the candidate has a wartime FJO-Knight, he was probably a military surgeon. This information about the candidate's medical background might help the search effort. Last ribbon: Either the Italian Crown Order Officer's Cross or the Ehrenzeichen vom Roten Kreuz (Officer) of the Austrian First Republic is the last narrow ribbon wrapped around the right side of the Hungarian ribbon. I realize, the thin white margins are not present on the ribbon for the First Republic Red Cross award, but why would an Italian Crown Order Officer's Cross be mounted in the very last position? Regards.
  7. Hello. It may seem a bit odd, but it is entirely true that the Royal Hungarian Honved Miniszterium continued to award KuK orders and decorations after 1920 up until the Soviet invasion. Candidates submitted an application for an award they believed they earned and should have received, but because the "System" forgot about them, it was never actually awarded. The Hungarian government officially named these awards "Elmaradt kitüntetés". Candidates had to submit affidavits from former comrades and their former commanding officers. After a review-committee approved the application, an award certificate was issued along with a Hungarian Signum Laudis featuring a miniature device on the ribbon. Here is what some of these award certificates and decorations looked like...
  8. Hello. It is commendable that Chechaco and Simian attempted to tabulate award numbers utilizing deductive reasoning, but both of your numbers seem a bit off-the-mark. Therefore, I have a suggestion: Why don't you guys simply ask somebody who may already know the answer to your question? I would start with forumites "Seeheld" and Mr. Krause. Regards.
  9. Hello Again. Here is an internet link to photographs of examples of the two Meck-Schw KVK2-1870 awarded-crosses or "Verleihungsstücke" known as the 1. Modell and the 2. Modell as I discussed in my earlier post. Pay close attention to Posts Nr. 3, 13, and 16. Note that the 2. Modell is identical to Chechaco's cross presented in post Nr. 1 at the start of this thread. I recommend that you save these photos for future reference. These are examples of the two officially awarded MVK2-1870 crosses. NO other crosses can be classified as awarded pieces. Regards. http://h2385226.stratoserver.net/wbb4/index.php?thread/66352-schwerin-mvk-1870/&postID=419084&highlight=Mecklenburg%2B1870#post419084
  10. Hello. This discussion should focus on one subject: the Schwerin MVK2-1870 that serious collectors seek... namely, awarded pieces (Verleihungsstücke) made from captured, bronze, French cannon barrels that were melted-down and cast. These crosses are known to German collectors as "Gußfertigungen aus Geschützbronze." Mecklenburg-Schwerin contracted with only one manufacturer to supply these crosses. They were manufactured in two production-runs utilizing two different casting-molds resulting in awarded crosses with two very different and very distinct patterns. The two types of awarded MVK2-1870 crosses are identified by Meck-Schwerin collectors as Model No. 1 and Model No. 2. When compared side-by-side, Model 1 is noticeably smaller than Model 2. All the other crosses are nothing more than wearer's copies, private purchase pieces, Spangenstücke, Kaufstücke, Bedarfsfertigungen, Zweitstücke, or whatever else you want to call them. There also exist numerous fakes which were created to deceive collectors. I will search the internet for Model 1, the holy-grail of the awarded MVK2-1870, but forum members don't have to look very far for Model 2, because excellent photos of Model 2 were presented by the OP Chechaco in post #1. Take a good look at his cross... THIS is the REAL DEAL! Regards.
  11. Hello. All of the pictures you posted were taken with a scanner and their quality is not very good. Having said that, the LDO maker's mark for Rudolf Souval does not match any known LDO marks that Souval used on his screwbacks. Moreover, the core, the frame, and the screwback do not match any known examples by this maker. As a matter of fact, I don't recognize the core's design at all. The numeric characters of the year are a bit strange and the swastika's design is somewhat weak. MAYBE if you post better pictures taken with a real camera in sunlight, it might improve the images for further and more conclusive evaluation of your cross. Where is the 800 stamped? I can't see it anywhere. Regards.
  12. Hi @laurentius The medal bar you've posted with a SEHO Knight is an excellent example of the mounting-style to which my bar should conform. I have to admit, I have never before seen the ring of a SEHO Knight removed in order to make it fit onto bar. Even with the ring removed, over half of the royal orb had to stick-out at the top so that the arms at the bottom could be lined-up evenly with the rest of the decorations. The SEHO's crown is absolutely H U G E. Is that your Luftwaffe bar? It's a real beauty. Regards.
  13. Hello @redeagleorder You have a good memory but those pictures you posted happen to be mine. I posted them here in GMIC back in 2011 and you can view my post at the link below. I tucked a Mecklenburg long service cross between the folds of the last ribbon temporarily because I am not keen on looking at naked ribbons. Regards. https://gmic.co.uk/topic/12192-got-wrttemburg/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-471720
  14. Hello. This is an excellent question. The bar came to me with Mecklenburg missing. A very experienced Mecklenburg collector informed me that the missing award is most likely and most logically the Mecklenburg Military Merit Cross based on the other awards on the bar. It is a perfect fit. However, it seemed odd to me that a Military Merit Cross would be mounted after a peacetime/civil award like the RAO. The second option would have been be the Mecklenburg Kreuz fuer Auszeichnung im Kriege as seen in the photo below, but this is also a Kriegsauszeichnung like the MVK and was deemed a less likely candidate. A third option would have been the Wendish Crown Order as seen in the third photo below. The problem is that the Wendish Crown Order is a HUGE decoration that completely throws-off the proportional balance of the entire bar. Also, there is no ring-imprint on the Mecklenburg ribbon to suggest that a decoration as tall as the Griffin Order was ever mounted there. But of course, I always keep my options open. It is for this reason I need to find the Traeger based on the first 4 decorations PLUS "something from Mecklenburg." Regards. P.S. Maybe if I remove the crown from the Wendish Crown Order, it would look proportional. 🤪 🤣 P.S.S. Yes, of course you may send the photos to your friend. Thank you!!
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