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On 11/04/2024 at 16:08, Igor Ostapenko said:
Yes I agree Fake Star Somebody paid $1400 plus commission
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3 hours ago, Bratovanov.T said:
What is the best book about Bulgarian orders for the 1878-1944 9 September period? I'm thinking of buying Veselin Denkov's book because it's very cheap (it's 25 euros/ 50 levas)
It is a very nice book i have in mind 2011 Edition Weak point is the evaluation of the decorations The current market demands much higher prices.
I do not recommend you to buy the older 2001 Edition It is smaller book and the information is not as good Most of the pictures are black and white. For starting point is OK, however the 2011 Edition is much better
Late Prof Pavlov books are the best however they still demand much higher price then Denkov book(s)
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4 hours ago, ilieff said:
Most likely, yes. As long as the cross appears 'golden' (that is, either of yellow metal or gilded) and, of course, hasn't been altered by greedy 'traders' later on, it would be the top two classes.
No, that is incorrect. Until [at least] the end of the war, there were 3 classes of the soldiers' cross. However, we can be fairly certain that there were no wartime decorations, per se. In December 1885, once the war had ended, a fourth class is added. And no, the folding of the ribbon had little significance and cannot be used to date crosses - we can see pentagonal ribbons from the Balkan wars, as well. The folding of the ribbon was just a preference of the bearer, ribbon manufacturer specifics (to an extent) and partially a heritage from the Russian influence in the Bulgarian military.
Yes, it's possible.
We do not have sufficient information to speculate about the country of origin.
If you are interested in the historical aspects of the topic, I would encourage you to search for Todor Petrov's book "Наградната система на България (1878 - 2010 г.)". It's a very good source of information, giving a clearer historical context, especially for those initial stages of the award system.
Very nice explanations
Those crosses could be 1st and 2nd class
Once the ribbons from 1 to 4th Class were introduced then the class could be identified easier
1nd and 3rd Class had crossed ribbons
Here is an overview of the Order for Bravery You can see that the pentagonal ribbon was used till the end of WW2
Yes Todor Petrov book is a good reference
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3 hours ago, steveBobby said:
I may have a different opinion on this, I don't think it's made from Scheid, Because the last letter of the Order of Alexander produced by the manufacturer Scheid takes on the typical shape of the number "8". But the last letter shown in this topic does not have such characteristics. But in terms of manufacturing time, I think it may have come from the First World War, but it was not made by Scheid but from other manufacturers, possibly Bulgaria’s own manufacturers.
Yours
Setve
Hi Steve It is made by Austrian maker. As you noticed it might be not Shield
The cross is typical Austrian made During Prince/King Ferdinand all Royal Bulgarian Orders were made mainly in Austria and smaller numbers in France There are single numbers made by Swiss or Hungarian makers King Ferdinand was not keen any Orders to be made by Bulgarian Makers He was crazy about quality.
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13 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
It's the version without Swords. It was awarded in 1938 or early 1939.
Yes you are correct No Swords I do not know why i saw swords
The time looks correct as well
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10 hours ago, Igor Ostapenko said:
Austrian production, Scheid , 1910-1919 yy.
Yes it is nice 5th Class Cross Austrian made in the beginning of last century Prince//King Ferdinand period
War time awarded with swords in the middle
Usually they are silver made -marked or unmarked If it is made by Shield the mark will be on the ribbon ring
Price 150-180 Euro
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On 17/03/2024 at 09:27, Farkas said:
Hi Gents,
I thought this was worth a mention.
2 weeks ago I followed some link or other and it took me to the ‘MyHeritage’ site.
The information was behind the pay wall.
I decided to sign up for the 14 day free trial after which, unless cancelled, I would be charged £79 up front for a years access…
I didn’t fancy paying that and today,on day 13 I cancelled my free trial.
I then got a further discount offered.., which I accepted.
- Price reduced to £32.70 , for first year.
- About 60p a week, to me, is worth paying…So Gents, I just wanted to share this.
If like me 33 quid is a price you can accept, try doing the above.
If you are going to sign up with them anyway then try this to see if you can get this same offer.
If you are already signed up and paying full whack ££ then say you want a discount or you’re off & start a new account.(if you don’t have stuff stored)
You get the gist anyway…
Lastly, I’m happy to have a look on there for established Gents that need something they can ‘see’ is there but is behind the pay well.
cheers
tony 🍻
Good Work Tony
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On 02/04/2024 at 02:08, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
I have a few photos that would fit this thread. I have my own thread about Kriegsmarine admirals, but I can post the relevant photos here also.
Konteradmiral Paul Wever, sitting 3rd from the left. This photo is very interesting because Wever is wearing all of his awards and decorations (including many foreign). See the close-up below for more information about these awards and decorations.
Wever was promoted to Konteradmiral on 01 September 1941 and to Vizeadmiral on 01 October 1943. He died from a heart attack (presumably caused by a sunstroke) on 11 August 1944 in Aix en Provence, South France. His posts during WW2 include:
-Chief of Staff of the Naval-Group-Command West (23 August 1939-04 December 1939)
-Chief of the Department for Naval Intelligence Analysis, OKM (01 January 1940-21 June 1940)
-Director of the Sub-Group Navy in the Armistice-Commission France (22 June 1940-15 January 1943)
-Placed at the Disposal of the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval-Group West (16 January 1943-01 September 1943)
-Commanding Admiral of the French South Coast (02 September 1943-11 August 1944)1: Commander's Cross of the Royal Order of the Crown of Italy
2: Commander's Cross of the Royal Bulgarian Order of Saint Alexander (approved on 31 March 1939 but awarded sometime earlier)
3: Spanish Cross in Silver without Swords (awarded on 6 June 1939)
4: Spanish Order of Naval Merit 2nd Class with White Decoration (awarded on 23 January 1932 and approved on 28 March 1934)
5: Ottoman War Medal (Gallipoli Star)
6: Clasp (1939) to the Iron Cross 1st Class (awarded on 5 December 1939)
7: Iron Cross (1914) 1st Class
8: U-boat War Badge 1918 (awarded on 3 March 1919)Very nice photo
On 07/04/2024 at 06:02, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:Very nice photo
On 02/04/2024 at 02:08, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:I have a few photos that would fit this thread. I have my own thread about Kriegsmarine admirals, but I can post the relevant photos here also.
Konteradmiral Paul Wever, sitting 3rd from the left. This photo is very interesting because Wever is wearing all of his awards and decorations (including many foreign). See the close-up below for more information about these awards and decorations.
Wever was promoted to Konteradmiral on 01 September 1941 and to Vizeadmiral on 01 October 1943. He died from a heart attack (presumably caused by a sunstroke) on 11 August 1944 in Aix en Provence, South France. His posts during WW2 include:
-Chief of Staff of the Naval-Group-Command West (23 August 1939-04 December 1939)
-Chief of the Department for Naval Intelligence Analysis, OKM (01 January 1940-21 June 1940)
-Director of the Sub-Group Navy in the Armistice-Commission France (22 June 1940-15 January 1943)
-Placed at the Disposal of the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval-Group West (16 January 1943-01 September 1943)
-Commanding Admiral of the French South Coast (02 September 1943-11 August 1944)1: Commander's Cross of the Royal Order of the Crown of Italy
2: Commander's Cross of the Royal Bulgarian Order of Saint Alexander (approved on 31 March 1939 but awarded sometime earlier)
3: Spanish Cross in Silver without Swords (awarded on 6 June 1939)
4: Spanish Order of Naval Merit 2nd Class with White Decoration (awarded on 23 January 1932 and approved on 28 March 1934)
5: Ottoman War Medal (Gallipoli Star)
6: Clasp (1939) to the Iron Cross 1st Class (awarded on 5 December 1939)
7: Iron Cross (1914) 1st Class
8: U-boat War Badge 1918 (awarded on 3 March 1919)The Commander of the Order of St Alexander is with swords in the middle -given at a war time
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On 29/03/2024 at 00:27, new world said:
Civil Merit cross is a copy, R stands for Replica
Thank you
I forgot to clarify the "R' mark
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On 29/03/2024 at 00:19, new world said:
It's possible the man in the photo wears medal awarded to his deceased wife. I saw examples of people wearing awards of close relatives who passed away.
Welcome back
Yes ,This was my first thought
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On 17/03/2024 at 19:52, rpgr1 said:
Hello
I was wondering if someone can help with this order. It looks like the medallion with the kings' profile has been replaced with one with the flags. But the flag's colors are in the wrong order. The medallion looks original with no enamel repairs. Could there be an explanation for this, error in the manufacturing doesn't sound right.
Thank you
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On 23/03/2024 at 10:01, Graf said:
Hi Welcome to the Club,
Very likely the front medallion was lost and who ever repaired the Orders attached what he had in hand
Those medallions get detached/lost quite often, since they are hold in place only by a stiky wax
On close inspection, in my opinion the blue and the white colours central medallion were re-enameled and they made a mistake The white enamel of the cross also was repaired
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Welcome in the Club
It is interesting badge
It is better to list it in the North Europe Section
Regards
Graf
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Hi Welcome to the Club,
Very likely the front medallion was lost and who ever repaired the Orders attached what he had in hand
Those medallions get detached/lost quite often, since they are hold in place only by a stiky wax
On close inspection, in my opinion the blue and the white colours central medallion were re-enameled and they made a mistake The white enamel of the cross also was repaired
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On 20/03/2024 at 19:33, steveBobby said:
Hi Graf!
Maybe what you're talking about is a possibility,But I saw in some materials that some men can also get the Mother's Medal by adopting war orphans.
Yours
Steve
That is a nice information That is possible as well Only the man in the photo can give us the correct answer
Good Work Steve !
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On 13/03/2024 at 00:14, steveBobby said:
Very nice observation Interesting photo indeed
I suspect that if his wife passed away he decided to carry on the her legacy.
As you see the ribbon is a lady version
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On 16/03/2024 at 07:14, Bratovanov.T said:
Yes, interesting cross I can contribute the short swards as a maker error
That does not make it more expensive then the others, unless someone wants to have it in their collection and is willing to pay extra
Nice observation
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Some Communist Bulgarian Medals
in Central & Eastern European States
Posted
Nice Good Luck in your new adventure
Yes Lubo has the knowledge to guide you through the mine field of the Bulgarian Communist Decorations
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