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Latest addition to the collection is an example of the PHG Helmet---1.7Million wee produced in the first half of 1916 and then withdrawn when the SBRs came out. These were specifically designed for the artillery. This type provide protection against tearing agents that the normal PH helmet would not. Hope this is of interest Joe Sweeney
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Actually its a bit of a controversy about which units are the oldest. All of these are still current and fairly large with multi Battalions: King's Own Immemorial Regiment of Spain, formed in 1248. The French 1st régiment d'infanterie de ligne, created from the ancient "bandes de Picardie" first established in 1479. Swedish Life Guards formed in 1521. I think more claim ancient lineage too. Joe Sweeney
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Tuchhosen
Joe Sweeney replied to Chip's topic in Germany: Imperial Uniforms, Headwear, Insignia & Personal Equipment
They were Steingrau. I seem to remember them being at around 4900GBP. If so that would be more like $8000!!!!! Joe -
Tuchhosen
Joe Sweeney replied to Chip's topic in Germany: Imperial Uniforms, Headwear, Insignia & Personal Equipment
Eric, I saw those too----unbelievable but a nice pair to have in a collection. Joe Sweeney -
I use the most Jurgen Kraus's 2 volume 1999 work "Die fledgraue Uniformierung des deutschen Heeres 1907-1918" along with his English language version of "The German Army in the First World War, Uniforms and Equipment 1914 to 1918" The first work is in German and I know enough to plod along--it is very well researched and footnoted--which the Anal Retentive Obsessive collector in me loves. All articles of uniform and equipment are line drawings. The second work is very much a coffee table book, but really compliments the first work with photos of original items. I also use Johan Somers works (I have the 1st 2 Volumes) on uniforms and equipment, although I defer back to Kraus for detail. I have Malcolm F's work on "Field Grey". This is the ultimate coffee table book and is frustrating from the perspective that the photos are so good and large not all articles (few in fact) have comprehensive photo's showing front, back and interior. I also have the M15 regulations and M10 Regulations (introducing the Offiziers Rock) as these have been reprinted. Any have the new "Feldzug" series from Baldwin? Joe Sweeney
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Chris, I should use Chip's model designation IAW Kraus and I love Kraus's work. So when I said M10 it should really be M07 and a Bavarian M15 is actually an M16. I only have a meager collection of boards. The picture below shows the difference between the M07 (5.5cm) and M15 (4.5cm)--size and construction wise. The 139th is a M07 and piped IAW the red that designated the XIX Korps. These were made to be removable. The boards introduced in Jan. 1915 (Simplified should be of the same size but no piping or tongue for removal---they were meant to be sewn down. The M15 board is the 63rd IR and its the only M15 board I have. It is piped white as were most but not all Infantry Regiments with the M15/16 regulations. Here is a M07 board to the 2PB.--I believe Pioneers boards were piped red with M07 boards and did not follow the Korp piping color Here is another to 3rd Bav Fs Art---In this case piped IAW Fs Art for M07. What I don't know is how to tell the difference between private purchase and issue--unless its very obvious in material used etc. I think Daut said in his video numbers might be larger on private purchase than issue. Also--I'm not sure what kind of variance in width etc can be found on original boards??? By the way I'm looking for M15 boards to the 139th if anyone has any leads?? Joe
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Tuchhosen
Joe Sweeney replied to Chip's topic in Germany: Imperial Uniforms, Headwear, Insignia & Personal Equipment
Chip, Thanks- Both of mine are red piped. Joe -
Chris, My knowledge on these is not great but the 465th is a standard M15 board for Infantry--non Bavarian by the way the end is finished. White was the color for piping on the boards for the bulk of the Infantry--but some Infantry units did retain (Officially) different colored piping. M15 boards should be 4.5cm wide. The 24th is a type introduced in January 1915--same dimensions as a M10 removable board--but un-piped and meant to be sewn down. These and the M10 boards should be 5.5cm wide. The New Sept 1915 regulations (1916 for Bavaria) that introduced the Bluse and M15 boards were supposed to replace these The 12th is a M15 Bavarian board and is apparent by the un finished base--Bavaria sewed the boards into the shoulder/sleeve seem everyone else just taked then down at the seem edge. The Blue-one is out of my knowledge area. Chip can give chapter and verse on these. Joe
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Tuchhosen
Joe Sweeney replied to Chip's topic in Germany: Imperial Uniforms, Headwear, Insignia & Personal Equipment
Chip, Thanks for posting----I covet those Feldgrau tuchhose. Where do you live??? I have 2 pair of steingrau Tuchose. The first is in the same condition as yours and here is the interior stamp: The second is not in as good shape but has mysterious markings that I can't decipher (something something 3rd Garniture?)--Anyone have any guesses? Joe -
There might be a misconception here about tunic, bluse and einheitsmantels that look to be set-up for removable boards. In 1916 the "schlaufe" (Sic) was introduced that looked like the old loop for removable boards. That was not the intent, the schlaufe was supposed to allow for the sewn on (in for Bavaria) board to be folded underneath it. This was a security measure. So having the schlaufe with sewn on boards is by regulation. I see lots of repro garments for reenactors with removable boards and this is not what should be done. I also lots of reenactor sites that say the unpiped boards are late war and Great coat which is not true--unpiped boards 5.5cm wide were introduced in Jan 1915 for Army wide use to replace Korps piped boards and the M15 boards were meant to replace those. Wearing removable boards with a schlaufe was done but not regulation. Joe Sweeney