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  1. OK, sadly but not surprisingly, no response from the French museum of generals. However, I was interested enough in this topic to buy the wonderful but hideously expensive (at my age, I have less need for the body parts surrendered for the purchase), Verlag books on the WW1 French Army. Inconclusive. The photos of generals items show mostly silver stars but also a few gold stars; There is no particular explanation for this. Foch's uniforms, in particular two of his Marshal rigs, show both (I think; again, the size of the stars on one photo is not clear enough to distinguish between worn gilt
  2. ccj: Does it seem to you that the majority of general's uniforms, campaign dress, used the silver stars? Bayern: Great story! Thank you. No offense intended for the Germans, who, after all, had fine uniforms in all periods past. Would you think that the majority of WW1 generals favored the silver sleeve stars?
  3. Thanks! I think I'll keep the silver stars on the replica rigs I have. I have the gilt stars too but it's a lot of work to switch them out. The loops at the end of each star point are impressed through the fabric, then sewn to a pentagonal wool backing piece, all after the sleeve lining is undone. An alternative method is even more time-consuming, working thread loops around the star tip loops on the surface of the sleeve cloth. Mon dieu! Ironic, that the French appear to have spent even more time than the famously anally retentive Germans did on this small matter of uniform insignia!!
  4. Glenn: Thanks for that. The regs are what they are, but how can the museum exhibits, and the portraits painted from life all be wrong? A tour through the 64 online 'pages' of the museum shows mostly -not all- silver stars on the sleeves and kepis and overseas hats. I hope the Musee desetoile will respond but they haven't yet and my experience with museum responses is '0'. My own tentative conclusion is that silver stars were often worn, in contravention of the regs, whether by personal choice or expedience (it's what the tailors had). All this is frankly what makes this questio
  5. Yes. Unknown when it was made? In the online pictures from the museum site, there were horizon blue uniforms and also helmets with some gold stars, and also with silver stars (see my posts above, eg, citing a picture at page 60). There are also photographs of generals during the war that reference gold and silver sleeve stars. No help. I couldn't find a reference on the site to the specific date of the regulations which specified the silver stars, which were also used on the pre-war black generals' dolman or variuse. Maybe I should, against hope, email the museum for clarificat
  6. another exhibit picture of a 3 star Kepi, at page 40, has this which, absent further posts here from experts, settles it for me: "Note the 3 silver stars which correspond to the period 1915-1930." Thank you, Bayern.
  7. ...maybe the mystery is solved. Something changed in 1915, to or from the gilt stars. The museum of the stars link that Bayern provided, included this in the description of an horizon blue General of Division color photo, on page 59: Note the 3 silver stars indicating the wearing of this tunic at the beginning of 1915. The central buttonholes are hidden and all the buttons are horizon blue. The tunic has two decorative reminders: Grand Officer of the Legion of Honor and Another exhibit mentions this about a cap: C his cap is of the 1915 model in horizon blue color with 2 silver
  8. ...so we must hope some visitor or member of this site will favor us with some further information/photos. It was disappointing in the extreme that the official French museum of the army, generals in particular, did not have clear examples of horizon blue, WW1-era uniform specimens displayed online, save this sample of inconclusive ones: (NOTE: See below as I discovered the text that accompanied each photo when enlarged on the site. The dates for the silver stars of 1915-1930 were found).
  9. Bayern: Thank you. I did. I scrolled through all 66 pages of the generals and found on page 64 a 'grand tenue' with silver sleeve stars; at page 60, a 'petit tenue' with gold sleeve stars. Other examples in the first dozen pages or so were inconclusive but seemed to show silver stars on horizon blue coats. Mon dieu!
  10. Surely some French members of the forum have access to museum or private collection displays of general officer horizon blue uniforms?
  11. The sleeve stars on the horizon blue tunics above appear to be silver, not gilt. Is this the case?
  12. more Foch silver stars? I wonder if this was a regulation that was ignored in favor of what French military tailors already had on hand.
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