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On 24/06/2022 at 00:23, Triadoro said:

Garnisonverwaltung-Oberinspektor Körner's awards prior to the War were Kronenorden 4. Klasse, Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen 1. Klasse, Preussische Dienstauszeichnung 2. Klasse, SW Afrika Denkmünze, and Erinnerungsmedaille 1897.  He may very well have received the Dienstauszeichnung 1. Klasse after 1914 as represented on your chain but the AEZ1, which he already had prior to the War, is absent. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your Körner does not match!!!

Below you will find the "Stammrolle" of paymaster Otto Körner!

Paymaster Körner has received his DA 1 before 1902 and a KO4 for retirement is not untypical for a paymaster! Also not for a saxon paymaster in colonial service?

You wrote also: "Then you have an Austrian Gold Merit Cross with Crown on War Ribbon... typically awarded to German field surgeons serving in the Southern Theater and the Balkans during WW1. "

Really?? There were also for example some awards to members of the navy cabinet in Berlin......

Regards

Hello all,

I can only confirm that vFritsch received his award, see the last two columns!

Best wishes

Your photo shows still a MVK-ribbon!

The inner stripe is yellow and in the most cases it is black on a b/w photos.

Furthermore the third white stripe is missing on your photo!

white_black_white_red_white and the yellow inner stripe.

I don´t think that your photo is a pre WW1-photo.....

Confirmed! Definetly a MVK ribbon

Nice Photo Andreas?!!! Extremly rare with all commemorative medals for all colonial/china conflicts

Kind regards

Here you can see his pre-1914-bar!

He had the battle clasps Liang-Hsiang-Hsien and Nan-Hung-Men which are missing on your ribbon-bar.

Best wishes

12 hours ago, David M said:

Amazing! Whats your source?

Bundesarchiv

https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de

Kind regards

Here  a lot of Meyer´s and some more with late award dates (from May till November 1918)

kind regards

On 01/01/2021 at 18:36, webr55 said:

I don't think we have him yet: Lt dR J. P. Jensen:

 

From Hamburgischer Correspondent und neue hamburgische Börsen-Halle. 5.6.1918

some more details to Jensen:

Award date 2nd May 1918

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On 06/01/2021 at 12:26, webr55 said:

This might also be a new one: Lt W. Heck from Groß Czyste. 

From Die Presse, 3.7.1918 

Is it the same Heck??

Award date of 4th September 1918 does not match with the date of "Die Presse, 3.7.1918"

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On 03/02/2009 at 21:53, Daniel Krause said:

There is just one possible Heinemann,

no first name, no unit

Reserve Captain

 

HOH3X published in the Staatsanzeiger 27.07.18 / Milit?rwochenblatt 24.08.18

 

Might that be the right one?

What do You know about him?

Maybe a pic?

 

Best regards

 

Daniel

Hello Daniel,

here are some more details for Hptm Heinemann

Award date was the 7th July 1918.

Kind regards

On 16/01/2021 at 19:58, Glenn J said:

Oberzollkontrolleur Ernst Wölle was an Hauptmann d.L.a.D. serving with RIR 18 when awarded the HOH3X.

Regards

Glenn

Should it be him?

Award date was 18th July 1918

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On 15/01/2021 at 11:21, webr55 said:

A first name: Lt dR Karl Wendland

From Kölner Local-Anzeiger, 3.10.1918

Should be him:

Award date 4th September 1918

Kind regards

Hello all,

I have found some more details for vHadeln:

vHadeln received also the GSF3bX for his duty in German-Southwestafrika in WW1.

Kind regards

Hello Andreas,

correct and very nice

congrats!

regards

Karsten

Sorry, misunderstanding. So please delete my posting here

Regards

I think that picture will fit here quite weill

Best regards

Karsten

39 minutes ago, dond said:

I believe this is a pre-war picture taken during a Kaiser maneuver.

I have to agree because it seems that there is a civilian (?) in the background....

....someone is wearing a summer hat, see attachment.

Best regards

Karsten

Hello,

I think here´s another example for black ribboned EK for service on the homefront but in this case for a marine-guy.

Marine-Oberingenieur der Seewehr II. Otto

He was member of "Schiffsbesichtigungskommission Hamburg" and he received the black ribboned EK and "Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz" in December 1915. Finally the department celebrated the receipt of both awards for Marine-Oberingenieur Otto at the end of December, which was called "Ordensfest". It exist also one document which is connected to that celebration.

There is mentioned in a lyrical notion for what Otto received both awards:

"Hgb(= Hamburg) 28.12.1915

Hier mit meiner Schuppen-Horde. Schweißgebadet bei der Arbeit, Als mit Hebel, Krahn und Balken, Wir die 100000 Dinge die im kunterbuten Wirwar Man uns in den Schoß geworfen Sehr korrekt zur Ordnung brachten"

We can translate that lyrical parts that he was responsible for some gaffs. His principal duty was to handling one hundred thousands things (I think military goods) and to put them in order!

For that duty Marine-Oberingenieur der Seewehr II. Otto received the black ribboned EK and "Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg"

So in my opion another nice example for black ribboned EK for service on the homefront ?

In case of the department "Schiffsbesichtigungskommission" I found below informations:

"Bei der Mobilmachung ergänzte sich die Schiffsbesichtigungskommission durch einen Stab von Offizieren des Beurlaubtenstandes der Marine, die in den verschiedenen Häfen als Requisitionsoffiziere, Ausrüstungsleiter, Bemannungsleiter und Transportleiter die Ausrüstung und Bemannung der Hilfsschiffe nach den dafür gegebenen Vorschriften durchführten. Technische Mitglieder der Kommission prüften die Betriebsfähigkeit der Maschinenanlagen und Sicherheitsvorrichtungen, überwachten die technischen Einrichtungsarbeiten und sorgten für das Vorhandensein der erforderlichen Betriebsmaterialien. Sanitätsoffiziere und Verwaltungsbeamte richteten den Lazarett- und Verwaltungsdienst ein."

"In the mobilization, the Ship Inspection Commission was supplemented by a staff of officers from the Navy's leave of absence, who carried out the equipment and manning of the auxiliary vessels in the various ports as requisition officers, equipment managers, crew managers and transport managers in accordance with the regulations. Technical members of the Commission checked the operational capability of the machinery and safety equipment, supervised the technical equipment work and ensured the presence of the necessary operating materials. Paramedics and administrative officers set up the hospital and administrative service."

Source:

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/deutsch/archiv/weltkampf/wer0723.html

In 1918 Marine-Oberingenieur der Seewehr II receveid the "FAK2" for combatants! Otto was all the time member of SBK and technical member of shipbuilding in E (Emden?) according to "Ehrenrangliste der Kaiserlichen Deutschen Marine 1914-1918". It seems that he never had left Germany during the wartime.

Best regards

Karsten

Right?

As Rick used to say:

-- but as ALWAYS in these cases, please anybody else do NOT post original wearer's name identification for any item up for sale while it is still for sale:

not only is that free/unearned data FOR some unknown seller's sole gain, but largely a waste of time for items which vanish into the Great Unknown anyway and are NOT brought home by Faithful Readers here.

Regards

Karsten

PM sent?

Regards

Karsten

28 minutes ago, Claudio said:

Dear collecting friends,

No, I don't know yet who might have worn this bar, but I think it must have been a general.

Hello Claudio,

Didn't you received my Email yesterday?

I wrote an Email to you and there was also mentioned the name of the owner

Regards 

Karsten 

8 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

Good luck!

You know to whom it belonged? ?

 

best,

Daniel 

Hello Daniel,

yes he should know ??

Incredible bar?

Good luck Claudio!

Regards,

Karsten 

Hello?

Ooh I didn't know it?? Sorry to hear that☹️ But I think you have no problems with your "title"?

But isn't it typical for chinese culture to copy things without permission?

Take it easy it was my fault. I don't post anything anymore. 

So let's laugh about it and everything is forgotten??

Have a nice week and regards

Thanks for posting my picture!!

Here you will find some more details for the first pic 

8 hours ago, saschaw said:

According to Mike Estelmann, Die Modellumstellung des Roten Adler Ordens der 4. Klasse von glatte auf gekörnte Kreuzarme – Eine offene Frage findet ihre Beantwortung, published in German DGO magazine Orden und Ehrenzeichen, vol. 83 from February 2013, the change from smooth to pebbled cross arms was in 1885. Other than Mr. Nimmergut and most other German experts, who just estimated their "1879", Mike went through the effort of looking at the actual archive files.

Hello Sascha, 

maybe we can date the change from smooth to pebbled cross arms after may 1885

It seems that red eagle order 4th class with swords with smooth cross arms was also awarded in May 1885

Kind regards 

Karsten 

Hello,

I would suggest goldenes Militärverdienstkteuz due the fact that he received the medal for combat in 1918.

Goldenes Miliärverdienstkreuz was the highest military award for NCO and enlisted men.

I think someone is able to prove it. So could you deliver his name?

Kind regards

Karsten 

On 04/12/2013 at 09:46, Chris Boonzaier said:

Does anyone have any further info about the pure silver DSWA medals ?? I never knew they existed!!

Does anyone have any further details?

Thanks and best regards

Karsten

Hello all,

do we really have a FAM-ribbon? The ribbon looks like the saxon "Erinnerungkreuz" for 1866:

http://orden.100ossi100.bplaced.net/24a6bc96790dcbe01/24a6bc97a510ac401/index.html

The last ribbon could also stands for a swedish decoration!

best regards

Karsten