chuck

My Bavarian Military Merit Order 4th class with crown and swords.

My only crown order 3rd class (which i no longer own) with swords that i had purchased at the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul. slightly abused, but still a nice find on holiday.

Hi Stogieman,

   Is the medal in Bronze (240,750 official minted), or Bronzed-Iron (11,500 official minted)?

Friedrich August Medal in Bronze 1905 (ehrenzeichen-orden.de)

Regards

chuck 

Hi Saschaw,

Thank you for your opinion, the dealer was less than honest and sent a WWII Luftwaffe badge and then refused to send the correct item. live and learn a bad e-bay dealer.

regards,

chuck 

Quoting Mr Ludvigsen awards were returned as late as 1941 by the German recipients. Less so by foreign recipients particularly Russians. 

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Chuck

Herman,

According to Mr Ludvigsens outline Paragraph 6.a, pg 9 the order was to be returned upon death or promotion to the next higher order.

v/r,

Chuck 

His Baden Order of the Zahinger Lion 2nd class with Oak leaves and Sword award was announced as part of the Reserve Infantry Regiment 109 in the Badische Landes-Zeitung, Mittagsblatt on Wednesday April 11, 1914. page 4

Regards

Chuck

what is the last ribbon?

Regards,

Chuck 

a nice site for values.

deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen (ehrenzeichen-orden.de)

regards, 

Chuck 

7 hours ago, Simius Rex said:

Inverted swords have multiple meanings, but I have never heard the one about the wearer's rejection of the terms of the Versailles treaty.  Truth be told, practically every German resented and was furious over the terms of this treaty. 

 

Besides... it's not hard to make this modification even if one is a half-talented jeweler.  The medallions are held together by very low melting-point jeweler's rosin (pitch) that fills the center cavity, so even a hot water bath will loosen the medallions and allow the swords to be reversed.

 

Here are the plausible things that inverted swords could symbolize:

 

1.) In European heraldry, inverted swords communicate one thing: "The War is over. Now there is peace." (Sometimes, they are used to merely symbolize "Peace.")

 

2.) Across Europe and England, inverted weapons of any kind (swords, rifles, etc.) symbolize remembering and honoring soldiers who fell in battle.

 

3.) Membership in or expressing support for the German War Participants Peace Movement (Friedensbund der Kriegsteilnehmer) of the 1920's whose 30,000+ members included current and former German soldiers.  Among other things, the members opposed German re-armament and opposed any form of future wars to resolve conflict.  Inverted swords on an officer's Kriegsauszeichnung would have communicated volumes to other German soldiers who might have gazed upon it.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Simius Rex,

Thank you for the explanation. 

Chuck 

2 hours ago, speedytop said:

A special case for a Hanseatenkreuz Bremen

 

 

A special case for a Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg

 

 

Uwe

Very nice cases did the come from the medal manufacturer and are they marked? 

Regards,

Chuck 

What metal did Rothe construct  ArchDukes Eugen crosses? are they made of silver or silvered copper?

regards, 

chuck 

If I may suggest a web site, you can use from your phone as a quick reference.

deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen (ehrenzeichen-orden.de)

v/r

Chuck

an example of the device in the Otto Schickle catalog 1938.

On 21/12/2022 at 22:52, Dave Danner said:

Just another ribbon bar example - Generalmajor Walther Hoßfeld. Two things of note, though.

 

First is another example of period mistakes in wear. The ÖM3K is treated as a foreign decoration and placed last after the Schutzwallehrenzeichen, when by then-current regulations it should have been treated as a Landesorden and placed with the other German state awards. And the HOH3X, as a Landesorden, should come after the Ostmedaille.

 

Second is the presence of the exceedingly rare Silberne Spange to the Großherzoglich Hessisches Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen "Für Tapferkeit".

 

very nice, picture I've never seen the Hessen Clasp in wear, or at all. Neal O'Connor stated that only 29 were awarded within the Infantry Regiment Prince Carl.

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Chuck

Hi Demir,

  Thank you for the explanation. seems strange that a German Manufacturer decide to market such a larger star, but it appears someone decide to buy one.

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Chuck 

what was the reason for the very larger Gallipoli Star? A second award or extra merit?

v/r,

Chuck 

Hi Deutcshritter, 

  The third ribbon appears to be a Württemberg. The Military Merit Order has a Green enameled wreath, and the Gold Military Merit Medal had a silver wreath attached to the ribbon in order to distinguish the difference in awards as the ribbon was the same yellow with black stripes.

v/r

Chuck

Hi 1812,

  Looks like an agricultural association medal that has been attached to a ribbon. There is also one on e-bay for sale that states it is silver, 35mm wide at 17 gram.

Bavaria, Kingdom. A Bavarian Agricultural Association Merit Medal - Medals - Bavaria - German States - Germany - Europe (emedals.com)

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Chuck

43 minutes ago, azyeoman said:

Here is a photo of a group I found several years ago.  It has two Liakat medals, one with swords and the other without.   It's particularly nice as the Hannover shop of Paul Hadrbolec has put his "tailor tag" on the bar.

Hi Azteoman,

Sorry for being a little of topic. Was the Wound badge produced by Paul Hadrbolec? It appears to be a WWII era type badge as it has a solid back.

Regards

Chuck 

Hi David, 

Not an official award piece as they are two sided. On the bright side not a bad filler piece for a collection.  

Regards

Chuck 

Would the bar with two Hindberg Crosses be for a son?

Regards, 

Chuck 

5 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

I agree Scott, definitely a Badener. I also love the look of this medal. Here is a similar bar.

Very nice medal.

Military Medal of Merit Edition of 1832 (ehrenzeichen-orden.de)

Regards Chuck

The House Order of Vigilance Gold and Silver Merit Cross are listed in Neal O'Conners book Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany volume V (pg 22) as having been awarded in the 1st World War period from 1914-1919 in limited numbers.

Gole Merit Cross with swords  - 166. Native Saxons 148

Silver Merit Cross with swords  - 132. Native Saxons 77

In addition, the silver is a 1st form 1878-1901 & the Gold a 2nd form 1908-1919.

regards, 

Chuck 

Congratulations, very nice crosses.

v/r

chuck

seems like the gentlemen did not like the size of his Baden Merit Medal and chose to purchase a smaller version.