GMU

a lot of enamel here....

RAO 3KL m Kr u Schw. Gold.
 

MMJO Gold
 

On 23/08/2023 at 16:17, VtwinVince said:

Please specify what is garbage and who is a crook.

Oh yes, of course, I was referring to the thread opener and its seller

That is a modern piece of garbage..... What a crook

On 16/04/2023 at 10:01, saschaw said:

Your medal, Tommy, seems fine to me. Probably not an awarded one, but a (more or less) contemporary wearers' copy. It looks die-struck and of proper coining quality... much different than all those modern fakes flooding ebay and flea markets...

 

 

This, however, looks a bit odd, to be honest, but it's probably the pictures... is it bronze, steel, or silver?!

 

 

Potos are not that great because of bad lighting. Piece is made of bronze.

This is mine….

On 10/12/2022 at 16:57, Daniel Cole said:

 My SCG medal also had an incorrect date clasp…

That is correct. Richthofen’s SCG date clasp was certainly unique. It was a 1916 date clasp with two banderoles showing the date and month of the action for his award ( Nov 9, 1916). However, the banderole  shows 11 and 11.

here is a close up of MvR’s SCG award

Regarding the Saxe Coburg Gotha award, I have been able to improve the piece from the one I had posted before. I was able to find a SCG with the correct 1916 swords clasp, but no banderoles ….

On 09/12/2022 at 09:48, filfoster said:

Here is my re-do of the uniform he wore to a friend's wartime wedding (sadly, all repro):

Very nice display congratulations. I still need to get an Ulanka from Manfred v Richthofen's regiment.  I have an original Ulanka that belonged to Rittmeister Alfred Schmidt, Reg Nr 18.

On 10/12/2022 at 16:57, Daniel Cole said:

Beautiful. That is a labor of love for sure.  I did it once myself, however I never got the PLM and RAO3X.  I substituted a S&L PLM and original RAO4x.  My SCG medal also had an incorrect date clasp.  I also never found the other Turkish medal, Fun project.  Well done.

 

I ended up disassembling the ribbon bar I had constructed and returned the decorations to their original ribbons.

Thanks Daniel, I remember your display very well.  Yes, those pieces are hard to get. A long time ago, while talking about my project with the late Neal W O' Connor, he told me that the hardest piece to come by was the RAO3KrX. Wow was he right! It took me a long, long time, to pick up one. Very scarce piece indeed.

Thank you Sandro, very cool and informative. Thanks for sharing it with us.

george

On 10/08/2021 at 15:48, Deutschritter said:

 

Did you ever get a complete list? To the right of the Südwest-Afrika Denkmünze I can see the Kolonial-Denkmünze.

 

Hello, I am sorry for the very late response. This information is what I have gathered so far.

J Bishoff's PLM and medal bar:

This is the only photo I have of him wearing a medal bar. This appeared in a 1920 newspaper covering his involvement in the Kapp-Putsch.

I do not know if he is wearing  the same medal bar that came with his estate.

 PLM winner Alfred Keller in photo 2 along with Georg von Küchler

Ugly ?

Wow thank you very much! I saw this before at one time but could not remember where. I have been searching for it for many, many years.

thank you!

I have the complete collection, but as Vince and Alex said, would buy a reprint if it would include the new information that has appeared since the first print.

On 22/12/2020 at 17:10, Schießplatzmeister said:

Hello GMU,

This case (and what is in it) is my personal favorite!

Congratulations regarding owning such a beautiful and historically significant item.

Best regards,

Thank you very much! It is indeed an awesome little beauty!

21 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

No kidding, who is the recipient of that beauty?

Vince. It was last received by Felix Graf von Bothmer.

On 17/12/2020 at 12:28, GdC26 said:

Gorgeous, and well presented GMU!

Thank you very much Sandro.

Militär Max Joseph Order

Thank you Christophe and Walter!!

Walter, thank you very much for your great contribution.

here is a link to Schrettinger's digitalized book

http://www.nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:355-ubr14543-2

Waldo, thank you very much for your information. Yes, Ritter von Epp is 268. My bad, I inverted the numbers..

thanks

Thank you Sandro, yes I have seen this MMJO recently auctioned. It is a beautiful piece in gold manufactured in WW1.

Kramer’s VPP mentions in pp 78-79 that Kurt Ritter von Hoppfer was awarded MMJO Nr. 33.

Thanks

23 hours ago, Deruelle said:

Hi

You are right about the chronological numbers in the Kramer's book. Like Wilhelm Ritter von Reitzenstein has the number one he should be the first to received the MJ3. This is not the case. he was in fact the 23rd officer to receive it. Ritter von Kaufmann has got number 24 and was the 21st officer to receive the MJ3. Don't forget that there are several award dates. The validation date, which is the date of the diploma. The date of official reception when the decoration is awarded to the officer and the date of ennoblement

The validation date of Kaufmann is 26 August 1914. He received it on 21 May 1915 and became Ritter von on 12 July 1915.

I know that in Munich there is a list with all officers and matricule on the ring. This list is secret to prevent possible counterfeiting.

Years ago I have posted my list here, you can make research easily.

Christophe

Thank you Christophe and Sandro. I had seen this wonderful thread with the list of recipients. As a matter of fact, I searched everywhere to see If I find the list with Matrikelnummern and recipients, but could not find any such thing.

For example von Epps MJ3 numbered 286 was awarded two times before him, once in the 1800’s. Kramer list this as MMJO Nr. 118

So, any idea on how to research a particular piece, say 286, and come up with the name of its 3 recipients? I would really like some help with this.

One more thing, all MJ3’s were numbered, and this number was unique right? I mean there were no two number X repeated Right?

it seems that the low numbered pieces that I have seen like 1, 33, etc, all were WW1 manufacture. So would this mean that there was no number 1, 33, etc produced in the 1800,s , or that the piece was no longer available, and a WW1 piece made to replace it?

In the case of von Epp’s the 1800 build piece was passed among 3 holders. However, could it be true that MJ3 number 1 was made two times. The 1800’s piece which at sometime became unavailable thus needing a 1914 piece also marked 1.

this is really confusing to me. I wish I could learn more....