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Aurora

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  1. I agree with Dieter3 and Richard. Fukuoka has no complaints and I assume his buyer is happy. Gunjinantiques is happy and he told us his buyer is happy. I don't see the problem.

    Fukuoka and Gunjinantiques,

    you are 2 well-known and reputable dealers, why do you want to offer this poor show?

    I am a new member but I think you were good friends. Please stop this useless war.

  2. I would like to start with my apologies. I have no the right to interrupt this duel but I would express some thoughts. Why have we to decide who is the best dealer? My grandfather usually told me:"Remember, if it is yellow it is not necessarily gold... and remember again, the only friend you have is in your wallet..."

    When I graduated summa cum laude in Economics my professor ( he also worked as adviser for our Central Bank) said me these words:" You have to learn this important lesson, the word 'economy' doesn't mean science..."

    I didn't understand those words... but I think I have learned the lesson now:

    - men are not completely rational;

    - we have not the right to judge their decisions;

    - if you are the best dealer probably you do not need to underline it;

    - we should know who has the best knowledge between seller and buyer;

    - not all auctions are "genuine" so we should not consider those prices;

    - a market can not be based on 2-3 buyers, no matter if they are rich;

    - a price is 'strong' when a single buyer cannot modify it with his/her actions.

    There is a good way to compare 2 dealers but it usually cannot be used. I don't consider the best dealer the one with higher prices. The best dealer is the guy that will be able to offer a lot of common/ rare items (especially rare ones) for long time. If you can offer them for a loooooong time your competitor will be finally 'defeated'. It's a long way...

    If Gunjinantiques can demonstrate to sell other medals like that for the same price he will be considered the best dealer but I am sure that Fukuoka is not a stupid. I always see Fukuoka and Gunjinantiques' auctions... He was simply lucky if he will not be able to repeat this performance.

    I have a question. Why did you tell us that your buyer is from Kyoto?

    I am always so curious....

  3. Japanese awards were/are minted with care. Groups are wonderful but they are not able to give me the same feelings I have with Soviet ones. Researches are amazing. I have seen your other topic ( "Four Fours"). As usual I have "bad questions"... but I think I need them to focus on my passion. I am not off-topic. I am only trying to explain my thoughts. You can do with Japanese awards what you can do with Soviet ones (without serial numbers). If I buy a booklet with 4 BM (all unnumbered) I can add 4 medals and I will have a group (yes, it is very rare to see a booklet with 4 BM without serial numbers but I think it is not impossible). I, as collector, can show a group but I know I have added these medals. With serial numbered medals/orders "I feel" their stories, I have in my hands a medal that saw that events... no one have the same medal. For example 2 numbered BM will not be the same because they have different stories to tell... This is a "problem" for European/ Japanese awards ( some of them - European ones - were engraved from the mint to leave a trace of history...)

    Perhaps I have a Soviet mind... :lol:

    Regards,

    Aurora

  4. I am reading these wonderful posts. An excellent topic. As you know guys Japanese orders and medals are not like Soviet ones. Nick is an expert and his deductions suggest to me there is no way to certify some awards as a "group". All is based on our "sensibility" ( to be more precise on Nick' sensibility and deductions). If I am right I can conclude there isn't a "unique price" because you can't verify if all awards were awarded to the same person. You can only sum their "separated prices". I can have 6/7/8/9 documents issued for the same person but I will always have the same problem. How can I demonstrate that all medals are from the same person? Could it demonstrate it is a nonsense call Japanese medals "group"? Am I wrong ? Perhaps you will see me as a devil's advocate but these "bad questions" can improve our knowledge and sensibility.

    Best regards,

    Aurora

  5. Your item is not a souvenir. It is an unofficial medal. It was a very common praxis but you do not think your item is common. Italian silversmiths minted a lot of medals ( for colonial battalions, submariners, infantry regiments, etc...) . They minted a lot of different medals but all in few quantities. Some medals were recognized and others were simply tolerated. Some colonial battalion medals are very expensive and there is a real psychosis about them. You can find the same medal made of bronze or silver ( sometimes in gold). Silver medals/badges were usually minted for officers. Soldiers usually received bronze ones. This is not a rule but you should keep it in mind when you see these items.

    I collect European and Soviet awards/badges and I had to understand this lesson when I faced Italian decorations/ badges.

    Hope this helps.

    Aurora

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