Thanks for the help guys, I did try to reply just now but I do not think that it got through, if I end up repeating myself do not worry, this site is new to me!! I have just looked at Jamie Cross's Golden Party List and 18 is on it, so I have sent an e-mail to ask who he thinks that it is. I have attached a copy of the German Cross, it is numbered 20 under the pin and is a 4 hollow rivet construction. The heavy version I believe. Regards Taff quote name='Robin Lumsden' date='Jul 17 2006, 18:57 ' post='94803'] Here's Fred with his larger GPB...........