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  1. Thanks for the detailed explanation about the Austrian ribbons. Unfortunately, you can not find the class of the MVO over the color of the swords. These may also be third classes of the MVO. From what rank was the Iron Crown awarded?
  2. I see here rather the ribbon for the order of the Iron Crown Austria, not for the swedish order. As a noncombattant award should the swedish order on the last position. The crown swords edition on the Austrian bravery ribbon disturbs me. The Order of Military Merit had an oak leaves wreath on the field clasp, Signum Laudis had swords, the medals for bravery also had no crown as a support. Finding out a name becomes difficult.
  3. Hello Laurentius, there is no sign for silver guilt. This will be real golden medaillons. The satincolour of the lion and the "L" could be patina. The medaillons of my cross are older, they differ a little bit to yours.
  4. Very nice Hemmerle MVO. The swords are early production. In my collection is also a early Hemmerle marked 980 with this kind of swords. Can you see the backside of the agraffe, what is it's marking?
  5. here two examples. https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/c/deutsche-staaten/bayern-koenigreich/page/3
  6. Hello, I'm trying to explain the individual stages of the MVO with a translator Until 1905 there were 5 classes of the MVO. Grand Cross + Star Grand Commander + Star Commander + Star Knight 1 Knight 2 The knight crosses were made of gold, the first class was with flames, the second class without flames. In 1900, the officer's cross was also introduced that was placed between Commander and Knight 1. NCO`s and soldiers got the Military Merit Cross, same size as the Ritter 1 but made of silver, only one class. In 1891 Prince Regent Luitpold donated the swords for combattants. War veterans ( 1866 and 1870/71) were allowed to retrofit the swords their awards at their own expense. The colonial awardings were then awarded with swords. In 1905 the classes were switched to Grand Cross + star 1st class (previously Grand Commander) + star 2nd class (previously Commander) + star officer's cross 3rd class (previously Knight 1) 4th grade (previously Knight 2) In addition, the crown was added to the individual classes. The Military Merit Cross got 2 classes. From 1913 till 1918 The military merit cross was changed in first, second and third class in addition the crown, so that we had 6 classes. The MVO was not increased further Regards Andreas He got the MMJO in the 1870 war, in WW1 the Grandcross of the MMJO
  7. Hello, that's no BMVO third class swords, it is a Ritter 1 with swords. He got his decorations in the 1866 and 1870 campaigns. He was reactivated in 1914 as a general, so he would be awarded with the highest class of orders.
  8. There are third classes of Hemmerle and Leser, two manufacturer. Weiss has not delivered any third classes to the bavarian "Ordenskanzlei". Thats right and the weight of the 3. class is lighter. Thats a often seen fake. For a counterfeiter an easy game with a high profit.
  9. I have a picture, but I can not share it. So I tried to paint the system of attachment. The flames were put through the medallion ring and pinned inside. The flames are worked hollow inside, therefore the crosses of the third classes are lighter.
  10. Hello, the first class is a cross of the manufacturer Weiss&Co, the swords are from Leser. This cross is a bad fake., originally a third class. The MVO is a Hemmerle. The backside medaillon seems new enameled. Normaly the lion had to be seperate and not in the enamel. I think this is a recycled MVO.
  11. This crosses were be offered since 1917 by W. Godet & Sons, Berlin. Here a MVO with the same swords.
  12. That's right. These crosses were made for the production of medal bars. In this case from the manufacturer Godet. They were not awardet. The price is equal as the lent.
  13. Very nice Hemmerle, production 1914/1915. he third class is the latest version of Leser.
  14. This looks quite good. Leser 1913 second type. here three types of the Leser cross (left first, middle second and right third Type) The third type was also produced with silver guilt medaillons.
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