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Log on to the Liverpool City Police web site, there is a little information on the Force. You could also contact the webmaster and a request for information on your man will be circulated to members. You could also contact the St Helens Branch of the National Association of Retired Police Officers, which is made up of mainly Retired St Helens Borough officers, I think they have a web site too. Good Luck and Regards Peter
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Thought this may be of interest :
Shortly after the outbreak of WWI the Australian cruiser HMAS Sydney located the German light cruiser Emden in the Cocos Islands. After a brief engagement the Emden was boarded and captured. A quantity of Mexican silver dollars were found in the hold and these were later mounted and presented to the all members of crew. Consists of Kings Crown with dated Scroll and another scroll bearing HMAS Sydney - SMS Emden.
Value c. 2009 for this medal was £400
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Thanks Mervyn, It is for sale at £850.00 which is not too far off your estimate. It is indeed very elaborate and looks in fantastic condition and bears date 1837 it could be the one you owned as it has not been on site too long. As I say I am not a collector of Truncheons so would be happy to tell anyone with an interest where the Truncheon can be purchased.
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Hi Steve, I do not collect Truncheons but it does look lovely and I would have purchased it had it been in the price range you mention but its much more than that. Thanks for prompt and informative reply.
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Peter
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I have recently spotted a Painted Truncheon to the London and Brighton Railway (Police ?) c. 1837 It is in nice condition. The asking price seems high and I wondered if anyone would know what such an item would be worth, I am aware that in the collecting game an item is worth what someone will pay but an idea of price would be most welcome.
Peter
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Although Common, I thought these three medals may be of interest as they are to 3 Merchant Seamen brothers from Rotterdam, there were 6 Brothers in all 2 were taken to Labour Camps and one who was much older remained in Rotterdam.
Adrianus married an English woman and remained in UK, Johann returned to Holland and was re-joined by his wife who had survived a Concentration Camp and the youngest Lodewike married an English woman and lived in Durban, South Africa.
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Hi Rod and Dave,
I think we are getting mixed up with Left and Right as seen in photo, referring to L&R as you look at picture does not convey the correct order of wearing. Official awards ie Government etc are worn on the left breast and unofficial awards on the right breast.
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Peter
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He was also the Colonel in Chief of the Seaforth Highlanders.
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Thanks yet again Alex. Craig, I don't really know if it's a rarity but imagine there will not be too many about.
Peter
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Can anyone assist with information as to whether there was/is an "O" Division in metropolitan Police circa 1910ish. Thanks.
Peter
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Hi 1314,
Just had occasion to consult the June 1956 copy of Palestine Police News Letter and thought the entries on the HKP and N & S Rhodesia may be of interest to you. Just a note ; the Violet Graham mentioned was the only Female member of the British PP ( would like to obtain her General Service Medal ! ) There were Arab and Jewish women in Auxiliary units for searching etc. Hope of use and interest.
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Peter
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Wow ! Thanks 1314.
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Peter
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The Oak and Acorn are linked to the County of Cheshire and in particular the Cheshire Regiment (As was).
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Also found this photo of Tom in uniform.
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Peter
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Thanks Gentlemen,
I am looking out for a nice copy MM to enhance the group.
The MM was awarded to Tom as a Despatch Driver who on taking a message to his comrades,( who were just about holding off a strong German advance of infantry and many Tanks) realised they had little ammunition and so he returned to HQ and enveloped himself and his motorbike in small arms ammunition on belts and boxes of Grenades, he then rode across the path of the advancing German Tanks and was made a personal target by them and was nearly killed on several occasions. He survived to repeat this feat of outstanding Gallantry.
Have had a little difficulty in access to FMP blog but will persist, in the meantime have found several items in public domain on Web with regard to Tom and the TV series Who do you think you are. Thanks again for information.
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Peter
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I do not collect or have an interest in the Malaya Police but a few years ago I acquired A GSM bar Malaya with condolence slip to a Police Lt in the Federation of Malaya Police.
Research has uncovered an extraordinary tale. I have listed an abridged version : --
Tom Darling was a Scot born about 1915/16, he joined the Cameron Highlanders circa 1933. During World War II and the retreat at Dunkirk he won a Military Medal for a prolonged and outstanding feat of Gallantry in the face of overwhelming enemy infantry and Tanks ( Which in my humble Opinion merited at the very least a DCM) He was later shipped to Burma with his Battalion and witnessed some very heavy hand to hand fighting.
After WW2 he returned to the UK where he joined the Palestine Police but as the Mandate was ending it is doubtful if he ever got to the Holyland but he later appeared as a Police Lieutenant in the Federation of Malaya Police at Cha'ah, he was only in Malaya a very short time before he suffered a gunshot wound to the head and died on 21:6:51, he is buried in Kranji Cemetery, Singapore.
During his short time in Malaya he must have made a profound impression as a Park and several Streets are named after him.
Peter
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Sorry, I put wrong name on above post I meant it for 1314.
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Peter
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Hi Graham,
I have a great interest in the Palestine Police, you will know that after the end of the British Mandate in 1948 the PP men spread far and wide. I have a full set of the PP newsletters 1949 to present and found mention of the HKP in issue three and thought you may be interested in those named therein.
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Peter
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Have now dug helmet out of packing, please forgive quality of photo (stats) I do not have facility to (photograph)
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Peter
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I chanced upon this thread by accident but on seeing the photo I realised that I had stored away a helmet exactly the same as the one pictured( Even down to the missing spike) and in immaculate condition. It has been in the Family for many years in Holland and is possibly Family( Delius of Bielefeld, Germany) but we do not know the History. As stated it is immaculate. It has a soft leather inner with green cloth insert which separates to give access to spike.It has a brass fitting down the back of helmet. The roundel on Right side is black and on the left is black but the inner circle is red. The badge is unmarked and not worn or tarnished in anyway. The spike apparently was thrown into a canal in Holland by a female relative who did not want the children to fall on it !!! I would be grateful for any information on it and a likely place where I could obtain a replacement screw in spike.
Peter
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For anyone who collects to the HKP/RHKP. I have just noticed on Norman Colletts List ( of todays date) an item which may be of interest.
Item 4980.
OBE, 39-45 star, Pacific Star, Defence, War, GSM Bar Malaya (Renamed) Colonial Police medal for Merit (A/Supt), Malaya Most Exhalted Order of Realm 2nd Class and the Pingat Peringatan medal.
To C.A.A. Nicol Assistant Commisioner HKP
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Thanks Graham, just for information I have been supplied with the following details by a fellow Collector : -
Cpl 16809 James Foggo
Pte 16813 Harry Foggo
Pte 16814 Thomas Foggo
All served 18th Battalion of Liverpool (Pals) Regiment. All listed their Father Thomas Foggo Snr at 21 Penrhyn Avenue, Litherland as next of kin.
Harry Foggo is Gazetted with the MM on 14th May 1919 with 4th Battalion. Thomas Foggo is Gazetted with MM on 13th March 1919 with 6th Battalion.
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Re Andrews I have been informed that Edward Andrews joined 23:02:1886 and was posted to "N" Division where he was still serving when he died on the 03:09:1887.
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We have all been told stories by dealers/vendors of the provenance of items, "it was taken off a dead German" "I got it from a Dead Gerry in Hitlers Bunker" "I have got Guy Gibsons 39-45 star" Etc Etc . Most collectors take these tales with a pinch of salt. Although I have a 2nd Class Iron Cross taken at Liverpool from a survivor of Bismark but that's another (Un-provable) story.
In 1966 I was working in Liverpool City Centre and it was my habit to call into a Sweet and tobacconist shop, I got to know the owner, Harry Foggo, quite well and mentioned that I dabbled in collecting Badges/Medals.
He then informed me that on the outbreak of WW1 he had answered a call by Lord Derby and joined the Liverpool Pals together with his two brothers, being in the first batch of volunteers they had been issued with a silver cap badge consisting of Lord Derby's coat of arms (Eagle and child) Later a bronze badge was issued. Harry was posted to the 17th (Pals)Battalion of the Liverpool Regiment.
He brought the badge in to show me but he also brought a version of the bronze badge, Harry told me the following tale. They had been in a particularly fierce fight and a fellow soldier complained that he had lost his silver badge, Harry was just glad to be alive and was not too bothered about his mates lost badge. A short time later a burial party was organised and Harry was delegated to join it. He said that upon wrapping a body in a blanket he saw the poor victims hat had been thrown in to the shallow grave and sported a Liverpool Pals badge albeit a bronze one. He took the badge for his Chum and, the burials complete, made his way back to his mates only to be informed that a sniper had claimed his badge-less Chum.
Harry also told me that due to his battalion being decimated he was posted to the 4th Battalion with whom he had won a Military Medal for volunteering to swim a river behind German lines and take note of strengths. He also stated that his brother Thomas had won an MM with another Battalion.
I cheekily asked Harry for the Badges and without hesitation he gave me the bronze badge but unsurprisingly he retained the Silver badge.
Many years later whilst at an Antiques fair a long way from Liverpool I noticed a single 14-15 star partially hidden under a carriage clock where it was assisting to support the said clock which was missing a foot, I examined it and was overjoyed to see it was named to my old Chum Harry. I enquired the price which was £1.50 and having listed to the dealer bemoaning the fact he would have to put the 50p piece under the clock, I left with my precious purchase.
I have no doubt that Harry spoke the truth about the manner in which he had obtained the badge but like lots of other items it cannot be attributed. I do not collect non Police items but even so I would not part with the Star or Badge for a Kings Ransom as I can see Harry now in my minds eye behind his counter modestly telling tales of life in the trenches. How I wish I had made notes.
Peter
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Chief Inspector Edward Dowson
in Great Britain: Mervyn Mitton's British & Colonial Police Forces
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I believe he was born in Chester, Cheshire c1910 and died at Prescott 1961 aged 50/51 possibly whilst still serving. The St Helens Borough Police area was brought into the Merseyside Police upon its creation in 1974.