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  1. Hi, There are some outstanding questions relating to Edward Watkins and his family who are residing at the family home at 2 Bramley Street, Walmer Road, in the Parish of Kensington, in 1871. There can often be discrepancies with these types of records and therefore you have to be aware that the information may not be 100% reliable for numerous reasons. The England Census of 1871 took place on Sunday the 2nd of April in 1871. Many thousands of ''enumerators'' were responsible for the delivery and collection of this information. Sunday was a good day for doing this work as many people would be found in their homes. Each enumerator was responsible for ensuring the census was completed in a specific area. They hand delivered the ''Household Schedules'' that by law must be completed by the head of the household. These ''Household Schedules'' would have been handed out well in advance of the 2nd of April deadline for completion. The enumerators then returned on the stated date and gave any advice or assistance required and collected the completed Household Schedules. Once the ''Household Schedules'' were collected, the enumerators would transfer and enter this information into the ''Census Enumerator's Book.'' [C.E.B.] On completion of their enumerator's duties the ''Household Schedules'' and the ''Census Enumerator's Books'' were then sent to the ''District Registrar'' who would also check the presented documentation. On completion of this, the documents were sent to the ''Censuses Office in London,'' where again the information would be checked and then the ''Household Schedules'' would be destroyed. If the original information in the ''Household Schedules'' was wrong then it might be impossible to correct these errors. Enumerators would often interpret the information given on the forms, as to what they thought it meant and again these errors might be impossible to correct etc. The shear volume of work that was required to manually transfer the information from the Household Schedules to the Census Enumerator's Books, would have created errors even for the most diligent of workers. Imagine what it would be like in 1871 trying to collect the completed 'Household Schedules'' from say individuals that cannot read or write or cannot speak English or are aggressive or drunk etc. It would have been an extremely challenging job being an ''enumerator.'' I will post my queries regarding Edward Watkins England Census of 1871 at a later date, after I have completed some further research. I have included a photocopy of a ''census cartoon'' from this period and a poem regarding the frustrations of being an enumerator - published in 1881.
  2. Hi, Since Edward Watkins, I believe, fathered 6 girls, it is easy to get the names confused. [1911 4 were alive/2 died]. Anyway the girls in the England Census in 1871 were :- Mary born 1864. Sophia born 1866. Sophy born 1870.
  3. Hi, Edward Watkins and family in 1871...... The question is, ''what kind of man was Edward Watkins.'' My answer to that would be, ''Edward Watkins was practical and down-to-earth and who used his common sense to achieve his goals.'' I believe, we can use the information in the England Census of 1871 to evidence and understand what is going on in Edward Watkins life and that of his wife and children. The information in this specific census is confusing and difficult to understand but when you consider the whole picture, then his strategy becomes clearer. In the England Census of 1871, we find Police Constable [Metropolitan Police] Edward Watkins is boarding at 2 Great Charlotte Street, in the Parish of Christchurch, in Southwark. He is residing with Edwin P Greggs and family and Edwin is a Coffee House Keeper. Edward Watkins is recorded as being 27 years old and employed as a Policeman and is listed as being married. Edward Watkins joined the Metropolitan Police on the 31st of October in 1870 and was assigned to Lambeth or ''L'' division and given the warrant number of 53299, collar number of 84. When I first realised that Edward Watkins was residing separately from his wife and children, I thought, this probably indicated the family were having major marital problems. It would be extremely difficult for a Metropolitan Police Constable [3rd class] who is poorly paid to maintain two residences. There is no indication of him having any other funds other than his Metropolitan Police weekly wage so this arrangement would be difficult for him to keep up for any real time. Edward Watkins wife Elizabeth Watkins [29] who was born in Kersey, in Suffolk, in 1842 and his daughters Mary [7] who was born in Kensington in 1864 and Sophia [5] who was born in Kensington in 1866 are residing in the family home at 2 Bramley Street, Walmer Road, in the Parish of Kensington. These are the only three members of the family recorded, for this particular address, in the census for 1871. Interestingly, Edward Watkins parents John [70] and Elizabeth Watkins [67] are residing at 3 Bramley Street, Walmer Road so are residing close by. I believe Edward Watkins enjoyed being a Metropolitan Police Constable and knew he was good at the job but he wanted more and that came in the form of joining the City of London Police. City of London Police were paid more than Metropolitan Police and so there was a financial benefit to changing forces. There may also have been an elitist element to being part of the City of London Police. Therefore he applied and joined the City of London Police on the 25th of May in 1871 and from his application form we can confirm his wife and 2 children were residing at 2 Bramley Street, Walmer Road and that this is recorded as his family home. All these details have to be recorded because for example to join the City of London Police you must have no more than 2 children etc. Now we have ''Edward Watkins little white lie'' because his daughter Sophy [Sophia] Watkins was born between October to December, in Kensington, in 1870 and should have been recorded on the England Census of 1871 but she was not. Baby Sophy [Sophia's] age would have normally been recorded as ''under 1 year'' or the number of months as a fraction of 12 ie 6 months old 6/12. If his daughter was recorded on the England Census of 1871, there would be a permanent danger that the discrepancy could be found out. Edward Watkins wanted to join the City of London Police and if he did not act quickly, over a period of a few months, he would forever miss his opportunity to join. Elizabeth Watkins then disappears and I can fin no record of her death etc. Then ''Julia Ann Watkins'' is born is Bishops gate in 1872. This may have been Elizabeth Watkins final daughter but in the England Census of 1891 it records her mother as being Augusta Ann Watkins. Augusta Ann Watkins [nee Fowler] is another mystery for another day.
  4. Hi, Many thanks for the help because it all seems to make sense now..... The letter is obviously referring to Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee Parade through London which took place on the 20th of June in 1887. I would suspect the letter is referring to some special advantage points, along the route that Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee Parade through London would take, that spectators could use but only if they possessed the Ivory paper/authorisation and they could only remain up there until the procession came into view. Obviously the Police Commissioners were heavily involved in Queen Victoria's security for her Golden Jubilee.
  5. Hi, An interesting letter puzzle..... Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins of the City of London Police, during the Jack the Ripper reign of terror, was commanded by Sir James Fraser who was the Commissioner of the City of London Police. Here we have a letter, on very fine paper which was written by Sir James Fraser's boss and that was Henry Matthews, the Home Secretary. The letter is dated the ''18th of June in 1887'' and was written to Lord Cranbrook who in 1887 was the ''Lord President of the Council.'' The position of being the ''Lord President of the Council'' is considered to be the fourth of the'' Great Officers of State.'' The letter reads, '''Dear Lord Cranbrook, The Police Commissioners inform me that Ivory papers will enable the holders to …………...……….etc. Unfortunately I have never been very good at deciphering old hand-writing, even when it is very neat and tidy and I am not sure what the contents of the letter relates to but I thought the letter might be of interest to somebody. I have attached a copy of the letter and photograph of Henry Matthews.
  6. The following is a photograph of Police Constable George Harwood Todd and was taken sometime after the Coronation Parade in 1902 and on or before his retirement from the Metropolitan Police on the 5th of December in 1904. [It is not easy to read his collar number but maybe 41 or 43 H but I am not sure.] In the England Census of 1911 George H Todd [53] was recorded as being a Police pensioner and was residing with his wife [48] and one son [27] and two daughters [25 & 7] at 13 Norman Road, Ilford
  7. Hi, Part of Whitechapel or ''H'' division's Metropolitan Police boundary was located adjacent to the City of London's Police boundary. Therefore it is possible that Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins may have known some of the Whitechapel Police personnel but we will never know that for certain. The Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medals for 1887 which were awarded to Whitechapel or ''H'' division personnel are very difficult to find and successfully purchase. Many of these Police medal groups that refer to this period have been split up for various reasons. Therefore when researching Coronation medals from 1902 and to a lessor extent 1911, it is possible to identify Whitechapel Policemen who hunted Jack the Ripper. Here are some examples of such Policemen...…….. PC Harry Barnard joined the Metropolitan Police/Whitechapel or ''H'' division on the 11/2/1886 and served there until approximately July of 1890 and was then transferred to Chelsea or ''B'' division and remained there until he retired on pension on the 8/4/1912. The original 1887 medal is missing but an original un-engraved example has been used to complete the Coronation 1902 and 1911 group. PC Harry Gibson joined the Metropolitan Police/Highgate [''Y'' divn.] on the 11/6/1888 but under Police Order 31/10/1888 was transferred to Whitechapel or ''H'' division's establishment to assist in the hunt for Jack the Ripper and he remained there until he retired on pension on the 23/6/1913. Coronation medal 1902 available. PC George Todd joined the Metropolitan Police/Chelsea[Westminster] or ''B'' on the 1/12/1879 and within a few years transferred to Whitechapel or ''H'' division and remained there until he retired on pension on the 5/12/1904. Coronation medal 1902 available. PC Edward Papworth joined the Metropolitan Police/Bow or ''K'' division on the 12/3/1877 but transferred to Whitechapel or ''H'' division on the 30/6/1880 and remained there until he retired on pension on the 10/8/1903. Recalled to duty for the Coronation of 1911 and it is this medal that is available. The research on this particular PC could only be done due to his unusual surname.
  8. Hi, To re-unite any group of medals is great but to have managed to do this with '''Scholes's medals''' is fantastic and you now have one superb and stunning group of medals.
  9. . Police Constable [309X] Jesse Betts. Born in Knotting, in Bedfordshire, in 1859. Joined the Metropolitan Police on the 12th of May in 1879 and assigned to Kilburn [Paddington] or 'X' division. Retired on pension on the 16th of May in 1904 as a Police Constable serving in 'X' division. '''When murder becomes manslaughter in Victorian London.''' In the Old Bailey records we can find the trial record for '''Owen Leonard''' for the wilful murder of Mary Jane Byrne in November of 1891 and Police Constable Jesse Betts played his part in this prosecution at the Central Criminal Court. On the 30th of September in 1891, at about 10 minutes to midnight and at 22 Swinbrook Road in West Kensington......this is the time and place where the murder occurred. Owen Leonard [40] and his common law wife of approximately 21 years, had taken rooms on the second floor of this building. Witnesses at the trial all heard the violent argument that was taking place between the couple and her screams of '''don't kill me.''' He did much shouting and bad language and things were smashed. Owen had locked the door to their rooms and Mary Jane fearing for her life fled by escaping via the window and dropping to the ground from the second floor of the building. Mary Jane suffered laceration wounds to the head and body and had a fractured spine from the fall. In October of 1891, Mary Jane died and the cause of her death was lockjaw brought about from her wounds. Owen Leonard was originally charged with the murder of Mary Jane Byrne but because she died due to his conduct rather than his direct actions, Leonard could not be considered a murderer. Owen Leonard was found guilty of her manslaughter and sentenced to 15 years imprisonment. PC [309X] Jesse Betts was one of the first Police Constables on the scene ie taking her statement, arranging medical assistance and transportation to the hospital etc. This case is listed in the publication '''Crime and Criminals of Victorian London by Adrian Gray, page 38 within the book.
  10. Hi, Police Constable Thomas Callender joined the Metropolitan Police on the 11th of August in 1884 and was assigned to Finsbury or '''G''' division and given the warrant number of 69792. [Awarded the 1887 Jubilee medal as a PC in 'G' divn, 1897 Jubilee Clasp as a PC in 'C' divn and the 1902 Coronation medal as a PC in 'C.'] Retired on pension on the 18th of January in 1905 as a PC in 'X' divn. I thought this assault was extremely brutal. '''''On the 3rd of August in 1886 we have the Old Bailey trial of Alfred Tonge [23] for feloniously wounding of Mary Ann Tonge with the intent to murder.''''' At approximately between 7 and 8pm on the 5th of July in 1886, Mary Ann Tonge was in the kitchen of her sister-in-laws house at 23 Wilmington Square, in Derkenwell. [that maybe should read Clerkenwell?] Alfred Tonge, her husband's brother, came in and made some accusations about her husband and another woman. Alfred then demanded money for giving the information and was told where he could go. When he was alone with Mary Ann, in the kitchen, he suddenly and viciously attacked her. Alfred stabbed her twice in the middle of her back and she screamed and tried to escape. Then he stabbed her along the side of her head with the wound penetrating to the bone of the skull. He then attempted to cut her throat and inflicted other wounds on her neck and head. The injuries were all inflicted with the use of a razor which Mary Ann managed to hold onto. Therefore Alfred changed the method of attack and started to jump on to Mary Ann's ribs. He also struck her so severely around the face and head, that all her teeth were loosened. Alfred then tried to choke her with his hands around her neck. Mary Ann's sister-in-law tried to pull him off but then she ran outside to get help. Police Constable [G129] Thomas Callender was first on the scene and arrested Alfred Tonge. Alfred Tonge was found guilty and sentenced to 15 years penal servitude.
  11. Hi, The 'ups and downs' of PC/Inspector/PC Joseph Goddard's career within the Thames division of the Metropolitan Police. Joseph Goddard was born in Northfleet, in Kent, on the 21st of August in 1854. Joseph's father '''John Goddard''' in the England Census of 1861 is recorded as being employed as a '''shipwright.''' Joseph in the England Census of 1881 is recorded as being employed as a '''Mariner.''' Joseph Goddard married Alice Elizabeth Tricker and who's father '''James Till Tricker''' had also been employed as an '''Inspector in the Thames division of the Metropolitan Police.''' Therefore Joseph Goddard's maritime connection proved appropriate for him joining the Thames [T.A.] division of the Metropolitan Police, on the 20th of November in 1882. He was issued with the warrant number of 67285 and the divisional number of PC39. In 1887, Police Constable Goddard was on duty for Queen Victoria's Jubilee Parade through London and was therefore awarded the Queen Victoria's Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887. There was only 144 of these medals issued to Police Constables in the Thames [T.A.] division. During the hunt for Jack the Ripper in 1888, Police Constable Goddard was serving in the Thames division of the Metropolitan Police. On the 12th of June in 1891, Joseph Goddard was promoted to Sub Inspector within the Thames division. Obviously he carried out his Police duties in a professional manner to warrant the promotion. On the 27th of July in 1891, Joseph Goddard [Thames Police Inspector] gave evidence at the Old Bailey trial of George Duke and James Hitchcock who were charged with damaging property. They were both found guilty and sentenced to 6 months imprisonment. Inspector [3rd Class] Joseph Goddard continued to provide a good and reliable service up until the start of June in 1896. By this time he has been promoted to Inspector within his first 9 years and had completed 5 years within the rank of Inspector, totally 14 years service. [I believe the Thames division Inspector rank was the same as the Sergeant rank in a normal division and that he would have most likely commanded a rowing boat which would also be crewed by a number of Police Constables. These rowing boat patrols continued in service until approximately 1905. I believe eight steam patrol boats, were commissioned into service in 1898.] Unfortunately, on the 4th of June in 1896, Inspector Joseph Goddard was disciplined for '''leaving his boat and taking a Police Constable with him and was later found sitting in a public house smoking whilst on duty.''' Joseph Goddard was severely reprimanded and cautioned and was given a reduction in pay for 6 months ie weekly pay reduced from 39s to 37 shillings. This appears to be the start of approximately a two year period which was extremely destructive to his career and appears to have involved a drink related problem and with the associated change in his behaviours. On the 14th of January in 1897, Inspector [3rd Class] Joseph Goddard of the Thames division was reduced in rank to '''Police Constable and severely reprimanded and cautioned and transferred to another division.''' Joseph's conduct was considered highly improper, in that he attended a merchants office, in plain clothes and claimed he and his crew had recovered some timber adrift and was telling such falsehoods to obtain a gratuity. Joseph was then transferred to Kilburn [Paddington] or 'X' division within the Metropolitan Police. In 1897, Police Constable [146X] Joseph Goddard was awarded the Queen Victoria's Metropolitan Police Jubilee Clasp for 1897. On the 12th of August in 1897, Police Constable [146X] Joseph Goddard had his pay reduced from 32s to 29 shillings per week for 15 months and was severely reprimanded and cautioned. The Superintendent was to report every 3 months, for a period of 1 year, on Police Constable Goddard's conduct. Police Constable Joseph Goddard was found guilty of being '''drunk when parading to go off duty.''' On the 27th of December in 1897, Police Constable [146X] Joseph Goddard had his wages reduced from 29s to 24 shillings per week and was severely reprimanded and cautioned for being '''drunk on duty.''' On the 27th of August in 1898, Police Constable [146X] Joseph Goddard retired on pension after completing 15 years and 274 days and was awarded a pension of £15 per annum. Like a '''wave''' his first 14 years of service had many highs but the last 2 years saw some very low dips. In the England Census of 1901, Joseph Goddard is recorded as being employed as a '''ships master''' so he appears to be continuing the maritime connection and was doing well. In 1902, Joseph Goddard is recalled to duty for the Coronation Parade through London and is therefore awarded the Metropolitan Police Coronation medal for 1902. Police Constable Joseph Goddard is given the temporary warrant number of 1438 and was assigned to Bow or ''K' division. I think PC/Inspector/PC Joseph Goddard's story is very interesting from the point of view he could easily have been sacked on several occasions and that he managed somehow to even end up pensioned off. When either the Metropolitan or the City of London Police recalled individuals to assist with the Jubilee or Coronation Parades through London, they always appeared to recall their pensioned personnel first. Thus Joseph Goddard was requested to do Coronation duties in 1902.
  12. Hi, That's great news because the Police Station is :- Poplar Police Station. East India Dock Road, Bow or 'K' division. [Amoy Place runs at the rear of East India Dock Road and onto Birchfield Street.]. Date approx. 1898 to 1905. many thanks....
  13. '''The importance of photographs.''' This is an original photograph of member of Bow or 'K' division during a retiral presentation. There are at least 4 retirement gifts that I can easily recognise and they are 2 clocks, I decanter set and 1 cutlery set. The original photograph has faded over the years and has been mounted onto boarding. I have taken a couple of photographs from the original and then taken some photographs from an enhanced digital copy that I had made. You can also identify members of their divisional band in the front row. The photograph, I believe, is probably from the mid/late 1880's or 1890's but I am not a ripperologist so I can't confirm that fact. The photograph was taken in Amoy Place which I believe may be at the rear of one of Bow or 'K' divisions Police Stations but to be honest I have forgotten which station. Here are some more photographs...…...…….
  14. Hi Mike, The letter was written in 1886 but if you move forward to late 1888 and 1891 etc you will find only a couple of famous photographs of Whitechapel or City of London Police personnel. Apart from these the cupboard is rather bare which I have always found quite surprising. If you take Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins, I know of at least three sketches that identify him and these were all produced by the local newspapers but I have never seen any photographs of him. Some of the photographs of famous detectives from this period, were actually taken in their later years and during their retirement. Sir James Fraser was a famous soldier/policeman but had only been photographed twice in his life and did not want any more. There must be more photographs out there somewhere that relate to this period.
  15. '''2nd letter, dated 28th of October in 1886, to the Commissioner of the City of London Police James Fraser.''' This is the second letter that I purchased for just a few pounds and it is dated 28th of October in 1886. It is again written on the same quality notepaper and has the same embossed motif and words. The letter refers to a request to obtain a photograph of James Fraser which raises some interesting questions. Why would anybody want a photograph of James Fraser the Commissioner of the City of London Police especially as he is now approximately 71 years old. Why would anybody request a photograph of James Fraser the Commissioner of the City of London Police, did they think he would have such a thing just lying around. I would imagine in 1886 that cabinet photographs etc would have been quite expensive to produce. I wonder if you requested a photograph from a modern day Chief Constable, would you be supplied with such a thing? The letter reads, '''28 October 1886. Dear Sir, I regret that I am unable to comply with your request as I have no photographs of myself in my possession. In fact I have submitted to the operation of being photographed only twice in my life and that long ago.....If I had a copy I would send it to your ___ ___ ___. Yours faithfully James Fraser.'''
  16. '''An interesting piece of Tovil, Maidstone local history.''' This is a Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police medal for 1887/1897 and was awarded to '''PC G Clarke F divn.''' [Paddington division].George Clarke was born in Dalby, in Leicestershire, in 1862. On the 26th of November in 1883 George Clarke joined the Metropolitan Police and was assigned to Kilburn[Paddington] or 'X' division and was issued with the warrant number of 68768. In 1887 PC George Clarke is awarded the above medal. In 1888 PC George Clarke is serving in Paddington or 'F' division during the JTR murders. In 1897 PC George Clarke is serving in Paddington or 'F' division and awarded 1897 Jubilee Clasp. On the 7th of June in 1899 Police Constable George Clarke leaves the Metropolitan Police and Paddington or 'F' division and is also given a gratuity. George Clarke then becomes the '''Licenced Victualler'' of the Royal Paper Mill Inn at 39 Tovil Hill, Maidstone, in Kent. This is also confirmed in the England Census of 1901 and 1911 and in the Post Directory Listings of 1913 and the licensee's name does not change until 1918. This means George Clarke was the Licenced Victualler for the Royal Paper Mill Inn for over 17 years. Public houses from Victorian times have often been demolished or had their names changed so many times that you loose track of their origins but the Royal Paper Mill public house is still trading under the same name even today so publican George Clarke is a nice piece of Tovil, Maidstone local history.
  17. Hi, '''Commissioner of the City of London Police Sir James Fraser.''' If you attempt to buy a Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887 and which was issued to a Whitechapel or '''H''' division policeman who assisted in the hunt for '''Jack the Ripper,''' then it will be expensive. City of London Police medals covering the same period are also not cheap. But here is a simple letter that was written by Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins '''boss'' and that only cost a few pounds but still has a nice later connection to the above events. The letter was written on quality notepaper and is embossed with the motif and the words '''City Police Office London''' and was written by Sir James Fraser who was the Commissioner of the City of London Police. The note/letter is dated the 26th of November in 1879 and relates to one of his daughter's artistic drawings and some assistance that was given with her work. James Fraser [1816-13/4/1892] and who was both a soldier and a senior police officer. James Fraser was an Army Colonel in 1854 and by 1856 be became the Chief Constable of Berkshire and he remained in that post until 1863. Then he was appointed the Commissioner of the City of London Police in 1863 and he remained the Commissioner until 1890. When Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins found the mutilated body of Catherine Eddowes in Mitre Square, technically Commissioner James Fraser was his '''boss''' but at the time of this murder Commissioner James Fraser was abroad. Therefore the Acting Commissioner of the City of London Police was Major Henry Smith [1835-1921] and he had placed a third of his force into doing plain clothes duties and they were told not to act like Policemen. To ensure that good discipline was still maintained, he ordered senior officers to go out and supervise all the activities. The letter appears to read :- '''26th Nov 1879. Dear Mr Swain. I write at once to thank you for ___ note to which I have just received. It will be a great encouragement to my daughter to learn that Mr Iagler has through your kind assistance, accepted the little drawing I left with you and I am sure that she will be very grateful for any advice or instructions for ___ ___ ___ to fine her. She is now finishing another small drawing which I think is clearer than the last but she shall bring it herself and hear your opinion of it and what she should do to ___ as she is much deserves of doing. Your truly James Fraser.''' [That's the best I could do with the translation of the writing, as this is not my strong point.]
  18. Hi, They say '''a picture is worth a thousand words,''' so here we have a photograph of Ex-PS [Whitechapel/'H' division] Ben [Benjamin] Leeson The photograph was taken from his book which he had published in 1934. The book is titled, '''Lost London The memoirs of an East End Detective.''' If you thought the medal was expensive......….the book is selling on ebay for £145.00 …...…….free postage.
  19. Hi, That was very interesting. At first I could not remember who '''Leeson''' was until you mentioned '''Sidney Street'' from 1911. I must admit I have not read anything that states Police Constable Leeson assisted Police Constable 240H Ernest Thompson after he raised the alarm to Frances Coles murder. Police Constable Hyde and Hinton and then followed by Police Constable Elliott did but not Police Constable Leeson. Although Detective Sergeant Ben [Benjamin] Leeson certainly was a very brave man at 100 Sidney Street. I believe he was shot and gravely wounded when they originally banged on the doors and called out for the two anarchists to surrender. Ben Leeson recovered but due to his injuries was invalided out of the Police at a later date. So maybe he was there in 1891.
  20. Hi, I have added some more information on Sub Divisional Inspector John Pickett's Metropolitan Police career which also includes his time serving in Whitechapel or '''H''' division.
  21. Hi, Here is a copy of Sub Divisional Inspector John Pickett's pension records from 1904...………...
  22. '''Sub Divisional Inspector John Pickett.''' Another person that almost certainly would have known Police Constable 240H Ernest Thompson was Sub Divisional Inspector John Pickett. From the records we can confirm that he attended Police Constable Thompson's funeral especially as he was representing the senior officers and men within the Whitechapel division of the Metropolitan Police. Sub Divisional Inspector John Pickett joined Whitechapel or '''H''' division on the 27th of August in 1898 and remained there until he retired on pension on the 26th of July in 1904. On the day of the funeral there was a dark and threatening grey sky and the burial took place at Bow cemetery. Whitechapel or '''H''' division had previously purchased a plot of land at the cemetery and it was to be used to bury officers that were killed in the line of duty. Not only were there 2,500 Metropolitan Police officers attending the funeral in uniform, Dockyard and City of London Police also sent squads of men and a score of firemen also attended. The Whitechapel divisional band headed the funeral cortege but divisional bands from Lambeth and Highgate also were present within the funeral formation. There were also hundreds of wreaths to be carried to the Police Constable Thompson's grave. It must have been an impressive sight to see and a sombre moment in the Metropolitan Police's history. and here are these two Whitechapel or '''H''' Inspectors medals shown side by side...……………...
  23. '''General information on Inspector Henry Thomas Weidner.''' Henry Thomas Weidner was born in Barking, in Essex, in 1856. Henry had a younger brother '''George Weidner''' and one interesting fact is that they both ended their careers as '''Metropolitan Police Inspectors.''' Henry Thomas Weidner served between 1874 to 1906. George Weidner served between 1876 to 1901. Inspector George Weidner retires from Marylebone or ''D'' division and with the rank of Sub Divisional Inspector in 1901. Inspector Henry Thomas Weidner's pension records in 1906 record that he is residing at 76 Leman Street in Whitechapel and therefore he is living in the family accommodation at the Leman Street Police Station
  24. Hi, Somebody that almost certainly knew Police Constable 240H Ernest Thompson was Inspector Henry Thomas Weidner who was also serving in Whitechapel or ''H'' division. At the inquest on the death of Police Constable Thompson...….Inspector Henry Thomas Weidner gave evidence regarding the coffee stalls that were located in Commercial Street. One of the main witnesses was a coffee stall vender. It is also known that Inspector Weidner was in charge of the Whitechapel or ''H'' division band during the funeral cortege and that ''H'' division's band lead the procession. Inspector Henry Thomas Weidner was a Whitechapel or ''H'' division Inspector from the 21st of November in 1891 until he retired on the 29th of October in 1906.
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