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Post 27, left one is not mint made and right one is mint made. Last one posted (post 29), not mint made - that is my only point, the mint uses the same very dark center. Compare to previously listed fake breast star, it is not hard to tell. Just think collectors should know the difference.

I apologize, for not reading completely - you did compare the cloisonné and you did see the difference in the quality, I know these medals well and have collected for years - the mint will only use that deep dark red cloisonné, not the metallic shiny thing that is very thin, I took mine apart because I could tell it was not mint made. The metallic shine type cloisonné is by some shop in Japan which obviously makes medals using that same signature shiny cloisonné that the mint will not use. I have never seen the mint use a hanko inside the case but I do not have documentation, just experience from collecting. I am not out to get you or anything even like that. I am deeply sorry if you felt that way, for me it is all about the medals. You seem to do good work, better thank OK in my own opinion and I would never want collectors to think of you in a bad light.

You never answered the question about comparing the 6th mini cloisonné enamel to the fake breast star you tried to sell, you have consistently avoided that question. Is the red cloisonné of the 6th mini the same as the 5th mini? Or, is it the same as the replica/fake 2nd class breast star you tried to sell awhile ago?

Take note of the red cloisonné enamel on this fake rising sun breast star (pictures in top posting), if you learn to recognize the fake cloisonné metallic shine it can save you much heartache. I only point this out to help others avoid some pain.

Forget about the boxes, more importantly look very closely at the red cloisonne, I beg you to compare the cloisonné enamel of the 6th miniature rising sun to the real 5th mini you have for sale AND compare them both to your previously offered fake rising sun breast badge (other topic on this forum where there are pictures of it). The cloisonné should be the exactly same quality, thick, dark when no lights are aimed at it and with no metallic shine like the 6th mini and the previously offered fake breast star. Why have you never responded to the thread about the fake breast star??, you did remove it from auction, but never a response to those on the forum. I respect the forum and the serious collectors. I am not trying to upset you, just trying to get you to look very closely at the red cloisonné enamel and understand the differences. My authoritative tone comes at the expense of spending money on these fake items accidentally and realizing that there are fake rising sun medals out there with the same exact red cloisonné as that breast star you tried to sell. I feel really bad for whoever gets that 6th class whether they realize or not, it is a shame and that is that. On a lighter note, you have a good website and I respect the work you have done, the "gleaned info" was something you had wrote about your site on your site which I thought was a good term, no offense at all.

Compare to your previously listed fake rising sun breast badge - the cloisonné is of the same quality (most likely the two items were produced by the same "maker" but not by the Japan Mint, ultimately it is up to collectors to make informed choices. I have been informed the hard way in the past by buying the fakes, the Japanese mint does not put a hanko inside the case, they always use the four kanji characters, the evidence is in the product itself. I apologize if this offends but the 6th is not real (again, compare to the previously offered breast badge which was taken down by yourself because it was fake, look closely at the cloisonné enamel). This is not a negative post, it is an informed post by an informed collector. I know you have a web site and all that with all the great "gleaned" info, perhaps you will learn form this site as well? My apologies if this upsets anyone, it was not meant to, it is meant to inform buyers. My advice to a curious person with the money, buy the 5th and 6th class miniature and compare. There is a clear difference in the quality, they are both not made at the Japan Mint as is put forth in the listing.

Please compare to your miniature 5th class, especially the cloisonné and note the difference. Compare your 6th miniature rising sun cloisonné to the last fake that you tried to sell by mistake, that thread is below this thread. Note also that the Japan mint never used a hanko or chop mark stamp on the inside lid - they always use the four kanji characters. I am not out to hurt anyone, just want people to be aware and to understand the minor differences. I only know about this specific area because I mistakenly purchased some fakes just like yours and I know them quite well. Don't forget to see the thread below this one.

You must read what I wrote and compare, it is an absolute fake while the 5th class he is selling is real, very easy to compare. Please compare the "metallic" shine to the previous fake rising sun thread which is now below this thread. Also, if you took both a fake and a real rising sun, laid them flat and looked at the actual thickness of the red cloisonné - you would clearly and undoubtedly see that the real cloisonné is very thick and the fake paper thin. If it was okay, I would not be so adamant, if there was a sliver of a doubt - I would not post and waste my time here.

Fake rising sun medals have a signature and constant metallic "shine", the fake that was offered here has the exact same metallic shine, bumping the thread so folks can compare.

Found this on ebay, and without a doubt, 100% it is a copy fake replica or whatever you wish to call it, it is not made at the Japan Mint. The ebay item number is: 361140941280 (search on ebay) The first question is probably: How do you know it is fake? 1 Look at the red cloisonné enamel - there are two indicators here - the shine it gives when light is reflected on it and the shine it gives when light is not reflected on it, either way it looks like a metallic type shine - that is because under a copy fake red cloisonné area typically there is a cheap metallic reflector thing, which a mint made authentic one will not have. Also the cloisonné on a fake is almost paper thin while on a real one you can see how thick it really is by comparing. 2. Look at the thickness of the cloisonné enamel (or lack of thickness in this case). To compare look at the same sellers other miniature rising sun 5th class for sale (ebay item number 361140942501 (which is authentic and really a mint made item) you can compare the shine and thickness of the two and also look at the mint mark (kanji characters) which is absent from the fake, the fake has that stamp in red which the mint does not use on these inside the cases. Also, notice the inner white lining that the fake uses inside the lid of the case, this is not the inner white lining used by the mint. So both fake (6th class miniature) and a real (5th class) are there to compare - one may say well one is a 6th so the cloisonné is of lower quality - that is not the case and will never be the case, the mint uses the same thick, high quality, deep/dark cloisonné on all rising sun medals and they also uses the same 4 kanji characters to indicate it is made at the mint (no hanko or chop stamp). I sincerely hope this helps someone to avoid getting tricked, I have been duped by fake rising suns (years ago) - I took them apart and saw how cheaply they are made, basically utter garbage.

I totally agree, being civil is key and name calling is not acceptable.

Good point, I will retract that part about the 66%, but still stand by my guns on the other points - that was a two feedback bidder bidding these things up to over 4,000 and 7,000 dollars, also this 2 feedbacker had 2 recent bid retractions. Another thing - I can not find where feedback was received or given for any of these high dollar medals. All seems too fishy to me, I am sure I am not the only one who has this opinion.

The information on the 2 feedback bidder can clearly be seen by clicking on the number of bids and then clicking on the name "a***t(2)", after clicking on a***t you will see his "bid activity with this seller" - the 66% figure is there for all to see. So I am not making up numbers or lies as you say, you as a seller should already know that anybody can see the bidder activity, especially such an experienced seller trying to sell very expensive medals and running to post them on this site. Now, you sell quite a few items typically and 4 medals out of all those auctions is not 66% but would be a much lower percentage. If I was a seller and I saw any 2 feedback bidder on my auctions, even a $10 item, I would delete and block that bidder in a heartbeat. You had a 2 feedback bidder bidding these things up to thousands of dollars. I call them like I see them and this looks very very strange to me, especially for such an experienced seller, selling very very high dollar items. Why would any seller even risk selling to a 2 feedback bidder on such high dollar items? Ignorant you say, that is very funny. I appreciate you exposing yourself here where it really matters. Thank you very much.

Smells a little FISHY. Look at the bidder that raised this to 4,700 dollars, has 2 feedback and bid on 66% of this sellers items. Is that fishy? The same 2 feedback bidder also had 2 bid retractions within the last 6 months. This information can be seen by anyone on ebay. I think it is fishy to say the least. Also, the same 2 feedback bidder raised the other medal to 6,700 dollars. Keep in mind that this same 2 feedback bidder bids on 66% of this sellers items and also remember that this seller does not sell that many medals. If I was this seller I would pray that nobody on this site reports me to ebay for flagrant shill bidding. It is like a slap in the face to all users of this site, like we are ignorant people!

Was there ever an explanation from the seller?