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  1. Hello Gentlemen, I’d like to contribute to the topic with this 3rd class princely Rothe cross, for which I am looking for a case. If anyone have a spare one, please send me a message. And a question. How do we distinguish an early Rothe princely beast star from a later Rothe one? Many thanks, Vazov
  2. Hi Graf, Nice finding as always. The reason is, I’m quite certain, that the 15-16 4 and 3 grade are from the same manufacturer. They are visibly different that the “usual” 15-17 4 grade. It’s be interesting to compare the “usual” ; garde 15-17 with this one. Regards, Vazov
  3. Hi Igor, Is this a three dots 3 grade 2 class? Do you have better quality picture? Thanks, Vazov
  4. Hello gents, I know you're gonna love this: first grade set in separate boxes for the badge and the star, both with Prince Alexander's monogram (barely visible but had no chance to make a better photo). @ilieff if you want the photos in better quality or if you can do some "magic" for the monogram to appear clarly, you've got my e-mail. Best Vazov
  5. Hello gentleman, I start this topic, because we know very little about the personal badges of the Bulgarian Monarchs and especially about the ones with skulls and bones. Let's try to share our knowledge and to see how far we can get. We know I believe that the skulls and bones are a maçonic symbol and that Prince Alexander and King Ferdinand were maçons. I don't believe that the skulls and bones are related to King Ferdinand's attraction to the occult, because this type was introduced by Prince Alexander who was quite sober and practical person. He was certainly a maçon and was incognito a part of the first Bulgarian loge "Etoile des Balkans", founded in Rousse by Ivan Vedar, quite inlighted person that saved the city from massacre during the Liberation war thanks to his maçonic relations with the Turkish command (source wikipedia & one book). Do you have any info on what stands for those symbols and why the Bulgarian rulers were so keen on having exactly these unique pieces for their own use? I also assume we cannot talk about "emissions" on these pieces? Probably we can guess their producers? I attach two photos I made in the Legion d'Honneur Museum in Paris and link to the other examples known on Ilieff's website. Thanks, Vazov https://bulgariandecorations.com/more/royal_collection @Graf, @ilieff, @new world, @922F And another photo I took, that leads me to another question: why Bulgarian Monarchs worn mainly I grade pieces (on neck ribbon) and virtually never Grand cross sets? This one is King Ferdinand's star from a Grand cross set. Judging by the flowers in the swards handles most likely Krelty French made, right @Graf?
  6. Dear friends (I dare say), It's a real pleasure to discuss with you again after a while and to try together to solve a new puzzle ! In my modest opinion the key would be in the following detail: when exactly the Prince has decided to switch between the golden rings with old Slavic letters and the green one with contemporary ones. If since the begging the order existed in parallel with green rings, then it's possible that this is a piece from the period of awarding the flag. Also, we don't know the dimensions of the order in the pique. If it's bigger than a regular first grade one, it might be a one-off piece or a prototype. Then why not with three stars? Or probably the Prince was still experimenting with different designs? Do any of you have an information of the year of first produced and/or spotted on photo high class order with green ring? @ilieff, regarding your post about the supposedly Prince Alexander's set, I share your opinion that the star is just added because they don't have the circle star with skulls and bones. On the photo we can see that the Prince used to wear the 7 dots "ordinary" badge with this star and not with a three dots one.
  7. Hello gents, I start this topic because I recently discovered something curious. We all know that the "three dots" emission is quite late King Boris III one, presumably from the WWII and it exist only in I, II and IV grade. However, I recently saw the pique of the only Bulgarian army flag, awarded with the Bravery order (I grade). It's the "Samara flag" presented to the bulgarian voluntary corps as a gift from the russian command for the Russo-turkish war from 1877-1878. It was rewarded shortly after the Liberation by Prince Alexander I, on July 19th 1880 - the anniversary of the Stara Zagora battle. Imagine my surprise when I saw that the badge set in the pique of the flag is a three dots one... I attach photos of the pique and of what should be the "regular" pieces of the emission. Any ideas, speculations on the matter? @Graf, @ilieff, @Yankee, @922F, @new world
  8. I also like them They’re pretty well done and somehow « stylisés »
  9. Hello Gentlemen, What do you think, fake or not? Thanks for sharing your thoughts ! Best, Vazov
  10. Hello Gentlemen, How about this example from eBay.de? The right sword is on the left one, whether it should be the other way around. Also the handles of the swords are not as they should be... Do you thing it’s a fake? Or just upgraded star without swords? Best regards, Vazov
  11. Hello Gentlemen, I found something you may find curious. I came across this photo of very bad quality in the Polish Wikipedia. As you may see, there is a 3 grade cross, with big Lilly, like the pretended 1st Batenberg examples in V. Denkov’s book. Experienced collectors told me that the photos in this book are not reliable and such crosses are not proved to exist. Which is even more curious is the breast star, quite like 1st class one but without the ring with diamond like metallic balls. What do you think of those examples. Are they real, or maybe photoshoped ? Have anyone seen other photos of something like them? Many thanks and best regards, Vazov
  12. Hello Gentlemen, The 7 dots are there, the years also, but the order is Godet 1941. Best, Vazov
  13. Hello Gentlemen, Dear Graf, I didn’t ment to offend anyone but simply to protect our fellow collectors who consult our forum. Also, many thanks to you and 922F for the information. I think it’s obvious that we all are very lucky to be able to rely on both your experience and broad view ! Dear Ilief, I have no words to describe my astonishment in front of the beauty of this piece ! Magnificent ! Do you have more info about when and on which occasion it was supposed to be given to the King? I also notice that the order incrusted on it is rather 3/1 1941 model only with the 1915-1917 years instead (like the personal bravery order of the King). I only wonder if there are the 7 dots, on the ring of the central medallion, can’t really see from the pic but the lion is definitely 1941 model one. Best, Vazov
  14. Personally I would also never buy such thing. Unfortunately, I think that such a lot can always be sold, respectively bought as a speculative asset. The sole fact that all of us, and we have quite some knowledge and experience all together, are not claiming it directly as a fake, but have some doubts, proves it. Often the intelligent men do that mistake by assuming that there’s always other possibility, that we always can eventually be wrong. Besides some part of us want it to be real. If it were real, it’d be so rare, so beautiful. Well it’s not. In this case I strongly believe we’re not wrong and it’s some kind of assembled fake. Someone have simply butchered a magnificent and rare 3/1 star from 1915. The fact that the fake is old doesn’t change anything, the fraud is not a phenomenon from the last 50 years or so
  15. Hello Gentlemen, Happy New Year ! I saw online a very, very bizarre and unusual piece, that I’d like to here your opinion on. It’s a 1 class set of 1915 bravery order, but the star simply does not exist according to the general view. In my humble opinion it’s a « fantasy » piece and someone have incrusted a 3/1 order on a Schwerdtner made base from other star. Graf, perhaps with your broader view on the orders, you will be able to determine which type of order is the base of the star from? Any thoughts? Best, Vazov
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