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    Christian1962

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    1. 16 minutes ago, tifes said:

      Thank you. Yes, case by Old-Austria/Austria-Hungary became a big plus in last years but Enzo´s MVK2/KDS double awarded is really something! One of the rarest decoration of AH phaleristics, just 5 times awarded in the course of WW1. Splendid! 

      Yes, it´s quite rare. It was awarded six (not five) times, here is the list:

       

      PVBl. 35/1918 vom 27.02.1918, A. h.E. vom 20.02.1918 – Präs. 5.800 vom 21.02.1918:

      Vidossich Rudolf, Oberst, ük. im GAR 3, Kdt. einer Infanteriebrigade

       

      PVBl. 141/1918 vom 12.08.1918, A. h.E. vom 03.08.1918 – Präs. 27.619 vom 05.08.1918:

      Hrozny Edler von Bojemil Josef, Fmlt., Kdt. einer Infanteriedivision

      Puchalski Stanislaus von, Fmlt., Kdt. einer Infanteriedivision

       

      PVBl. 151/1918 vom 24.08.1918, A. h.E. vom 15.08.1918 – Präs. 29.438 vom 18.08.1918:

      Le Beau Aurel, Fmlt., Kdt. einer Infanteriedivision

      Bardolff Dr. iur. Karl, Fmlt., Kdt. einer Infanteriedivision

       

      PVBl. 200/1918 vom 09.11.1918, A. h.E. vom 31.10.1918 – Präs. 40.112 vom 02.11.1918:

      Soos von Badok Karl, GM

       

      Kindest

       

      Christian

    2. Dear Enzo,

       

      your Militärverdienstkreuz is a really desiderable and beautiful piece - congratulations!

       

      I purchased some pieces out of the Fattovich collection, esp. breaststars and "Kleine Dekorationen" for rare Leopoldorden decorations. Most of them are in Mericka´s book from 1974. It´s fun for me to own them in spite most of them are Rothe collector´s copies from the sixties.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

    3. You should not forget that it could have been a kind of political statement. There were some people who did not come in for the Austrian medal because they denied the Austrian government, esp. illegal nationalsocialists. Others denied to mount the Austrian medal after 1938 because of opportunism.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

    4. 26 minutes ago, Elmar Lang said:

      I see that Gf. Hoyos was also wearer of the "Franz Josef Kreuz", also known as "Militantibus a Latere Meo", something not common to see...

      He was a long time Aide de Camp of Franz Joseph. Therefore he received the Franz Josef Kreuz. I accidentially met a Countess Hoyos last week and she told me it is said that he was one of the first to see Kronprinz Rudolf after his suicide in Mayerling.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

    5. I think, I could provide some infos too:

      01.11.1878 Leutnant i.d.Res. (DR 3)

      01.11.1889 Oberleutnant (DR 14)

      01.05.1897 Rittmeister (DR 14)

      01.05.1908 Major (DR 14)

      01.05.1912 Oberstleutnant (DR 14)

      01.11.1914 Oberst [70] (DR 14)

      01.05.1918 Generalmajor with rank from 14.06.1918

      Here a link to Austrian States Archives: https://www.archivinformationssystem.at/detail.aspx?ID=76043

      Regards

      Christian

    6. Hello,

       

      foreign orders were just listed in "Haus-, Hof- und Staatshandbuch". Here is a copy from the 1914 issue which should display all decorations bestowed until 1913:

       

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      I could find some more in the 1916 issue:

       

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      Here follows the link: https://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=shb&datum=1916&size=45&page=61

       

      and I can add his last list of Austrian decorations - effective with March 1918:

       

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      Link: https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/RanglistenHeeres_1918/?pg=59&layout=s&query=Hoyos

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

    7. 4 hours ago, Glenn J said:

       

      Hi Christian,

       

      I found another source that in fact I have had for years: Ruhestands-Schematismus der Österreichisch-Ungarischen Armee für 1914. Although only retired officers are listed, it does indeed list foreign orders.

       

      Regards

      Glenn

       

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      Dear Glenn,

       

      you are right with Ruhestandsschematismus. Because of the fact that I don´t own any of them and they are not available online, they are not on my screen.

       

      Thank you for your post.

       

      Kindest

       

      Christian

    8. 3 hours ago, Ian said:

      Gentlemen, This has confused me for some time and a search on the internet and in this forum has, so far, failed to provide me with a satisfactory answer. 

      For what reason(s) would a peace time MVK 3. be issued on the war ribbon?

       

      MVK 3..jpg

      The MVK was introduced in 1849 and it was instituted with the "war" ribbon even for peacetime and wartime service.

       

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/e6/Statuten_f%C3%BCr_das_Milit%C3%A4r-Verdienstkreuz_der_k.k._Armee._Wien%2C_am_24._Oktober_1849._Franz_Graf_Gyulai._Feldmarschall-Leutnant_und_Kriegsminister._8.jpg

       

      The war decoration was instituted in 1860 and the ribbon was still the same for both. There was never another ribbon for the imperial MVK.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

    9. 1 hour ago, tifes said:

      It looks like good, privately purchased piece with dedication to me, certainly not awarded, but fine one. On the reverse "Gut Land" (wish for a pilot for his save return) but I can´t decipher "F" word before 1916. Sorry, maybe somebody else...

      I read "Feneteör" which makes not really sense. I could not find a similar name or place.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

    10. 1 hour ago, Simius Rex said:

       

      That is not a small piece of ribbon!  It is the right side of a Red Cross Ehrenzeichen ribbon! 

       

      The ÖKM.X ribbon is covering the left side of the Red Cross ribbon. 

       

       

      Yes, you are right. Same as EK12/13 is covering the JK1908.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

       

       

      1 hour ago, Simius Rex said:

       

       

       

       

       

       

      2 hours ago, Nicolas7507 said:

      Thank you very much for the clarification and the additional info! 

       

      Pfeffer sounds like a very good match. Did he receive a Pr. EK2 or MEZ?

       

      Regarding the Tyrol/Red cross ribbon: I just cannot make out any green colour. I tried making a better photo, please have a look. 

       

      Best regards

      Nicolas

      IMG_7706.jpg

       

      The Tyrolian ribbon was a nonsense - sorry. It´s clear that it´s red cross WW1.

       

      The problem is that the Schematismus is not very accurate. But there is missing too much. This is the reason why I am not happy with the match "Pfeffer".

       

      It is possible that our guy did not serve in Bundesheer because he was dismissed in 1919/20 and called back to duty in 1938 as E-officer. He would have owned a 25-years service cross otherwise. So he would not be listed in any Schematismus. Hard to find.

       

      It will remain an enigma....

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

       

       

    11. 4 hours ago, Nicolas7507 said:

      Thank you very much for the info, Christian!

       

      Any chances the decoration at the end is an öster. Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste um die Republik? Probably unlikely, as the bar is post-1938, I guess.

       

      Best regards

      Nicolas

      Nicolas,

       

      wearing of republican Austrian orders (note: Ehrenzeichen/Verdienstorden) was strictly forbidden in TR, just war medal 1914 - 18 and long service crosses could be worn.

      I am not sure about red cross decorations but that´s not very relevant because the were extreme sparly awarded to Bundesheer officers.

       

      If someone would have worn a republic order on his ribbon bar against regulars then he would not have done thos on last position. Thet would not make any sense.

       

      The ribbon would not match and grade of the Ehrenzeichen/Verdienstorden. Rosettes were not in use. Italian Order of the Crown is the best and most plausible match. Germand red cross Ehrenzeichen would have had a miniature cross instead of a rosette.

       

      The bar is post march 1938 - Wehrmacht and not Bundesheer style.

       

      I could find a Militärzeugverwalter Johann Pfeffer who became Wehrmachtbeamter in 1938. He owned:

       

      Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille am Bande des Militärverdienstkreuzes

      Bronzene Militärverdienstmedaille.X

      Goldenes Verdienstkreuz mit der Krone.X

      Karl-Truppenkreuz

      Ehrenzeichen 2. Kl. vom Roten Kreuz.KD

      Österr. Kriegserinnerungsmedaille 1914-18.X

      Jubiläumskreuz 1908

      Ritterkreuz des ital. Kronenordens

      ungar. Kriegsmedaille

       

      This is the best match but not 100 %. There would be missing one TK-ribbon and a second sword device.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

       

      Thi

      2 hours ago, Triad08 said:

      Hello.  The 8th WIDE ribbon is an imperial Austrian Red Cross Honor Cross, not the Tirol Commemorative.  This Red Cross ribbon has a very narrow Austrian War Commemorative ribbon wrapped around its left side.  And considering the candidate has a wartime FJO-Knight, he was probably a military surgeon.  This information about the candidate's medical background might help the search effort. 

       

      Last ribbon: Either the Italian Crown Order Officer's Cross or the Ehrenzeichen vom Roten Kreuz (Officer) of the Austrian First Republic is the last narrow ribbon wrapped around the right side of the Hungarian ribbon.  I realize, the thin white margins are not present on the ribbon for the First Republic Red Cross award, but why would an Italian Crown Order Officer's Cross be mounted in the very last position?   Regards.

       

      Yes, an Italien Orden would have been on last position anyway. I would not bet my collection on a red cross ribbon.

       

      My problem is this small piece of ribbon between ÖKM.X and JK1908:

       

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      I would think it´s the Tyrolian commemorative medal 1914-18. An Austrian red cross decoration from WW1 would be before ÖKM.X and not after. But the Tyrol medal makes no difference here because they were not listed in ÖBH-Schematismus.

       

      Regards

       

      Christian

       

       

       

      2 hours ago, Triad08 said:

       

       

       

       

       

       

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