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    Christian1962

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    1. 1 hour ago, tifes said:

      Concerning originally it’s quite challenging. One of the sign of originality is “Flinkierung” of the enamel (fine under-texture of the enamel) however, general rule is that it should look good ;)  That small decoration of 2nd class MVK on 2 pics from Christian1962 looks like good 1918 original for me.

      I always have a look if it is a multipart construction or not. When there are minimum three parts (cross, center medaillon and swords) it´s not a cheap piece.

      In addition the inscript on the  backside says "mein  Eigentum" so I would assume it´s a private purchased issue of good quality. To say it honestly: it must not be an "official piece" which was delivered by the "Ordenskanzlei".

      Would other members have pics of their pieces to post here? Would be interesting for comparing.

      Regards

      Christian

       

    2. 4 hours ago, tifes said:

      Well, discrepancy between „1900“ on the bottom of the box and 1908 as a year of introduction of small decorations of grand crosses for four A-H orders (St. Stephan, Leopold, Iron Crown and Franz Joseph) might be explained by obligation of the family  to return original FJO knight cross with the box after decease of the awardee. Consequently box was “modified” by stamping small decoration inscription on the lid of the box. It looks OK for me, at least on the picture.

       

      However, I would be much more careful concerning small decoration itself… ;)

       

      I would not think so because the owner of a lower grade had to return his earlier decoration when he received a higher one.

      My humble opinion: the quality of the miniature star is quite poor (late or probably after war) if you compare it with others. So you are right "concerning small decoration itself"....

      I can just enclose an EKO1 miniature star for comparison but you will recognize what I mean if you have a look onto the star corpus itself.

      Regards

      Christian 

       

      0087 EKO Kleindekoration Sternauflage avers 600dpi.jpg

    3. 36 minutes ago, Elmar Lang said:

      Curious to say, after the paper inscription, this piece should come from the property of Gen. v. Können-Horak: some orders and decorations from his property, have been sold years ago.

      Best wishes,

      E.L.

       

      Dear Elmar,

      thank you very much for this clue. I remember to have bought it in 2010 in a Künker auction.

      Regards

      Christian

    4. In Haus-, Hof- und Staatshandbuch from 1914 we find:

      157 Austrian owners of Großkreuz des Franz Joseph-Ordens 

      and up to 600 - 700 foreign owners of that class (I became tired  counting).

      Maybe 1.000 all in all. If only 10 % would have owend a "Kleine Dekoration" (it could be worn just on uniforms) it would not be a rare and elusive piece of collectors interest worth a realistic price more then 4.000,- €. This price only with the inscripiton " F.J.O. Großkreuz - Kleine Dekoration". Otherwise 1.500,- up to 2.000,- maximum.

      Referring to the Weitze piece: "Kleine Dekoration" was introduced in 1908. When the case is dated with "1900" - would it be a 100 % original one? I would think that the inscription was imprinted later (golden letters are more shining then the "F.J.O." . 

      Regards

       Christian

       

       

    5. There is a reprint of Michetschläger, not best quality but fine for reference. I purchased it for under 100,- € some years ago in the net from a german company.

      Just some examples of "Kleine Dekoration":

       

       

      008b - MVK II + KD + Schw. - Kleine Dekoration avers.jpg

      008b - MVK II + KD + Schw. - Kleine Dekoration Detail.jpg

      and for MVK 1st class.

      Most of them were produced after 1918 I would assume. It´s hard to say which were from the 1914 - 1918 Periode and which after 1918.

      Regards

      Christian

       

      0026-MVK I. Kl. + KD + Schwerter - KD.JPG

      0026-MVK III. Kl. mit Kleindekoration I. Kl. + KD + Schw..jpg

      Maybe it´s of interest. I purchased this "Kleine Dekoration" within a "luxury case" which is not marked as "Kleine Dekoration". Have a look onto the backside. I am sure it´s an owners inscription by himself. But I would think that wartime issues would have the inscription "Militärverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse - Kleine Dekoration".

      Christian

      008b - MVK II + KD + Schw. - Kleine Dekoration Etui unten.jpg

      008b - MVK II + KD + Schw. - Kleine Dekoration Etui.jpg

    6. 11 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

      Thank you Christian. Where did you find his Austrian decorations?

      Do you own that book or did you find it on the internet?

      I know about this site: https://hungaricana.hu/en/ with digitalised k.u.k. Rangliste and other books.

      From which one is this exempt for Perčević?

      Thanks

      Yes, the link is correct. I found it here:

      https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/RanglistenHeeres_1918/?pg=84&layout=s&query=Percevic

      Regards

      Christian

    7. he is "Feldwebel". The medal is "Militär-Jubiläumsmedaille 1848 - 1898" (Jubilee medal 1898 - 1898).

      The pic was taken in Josephstadt. Therefore it would be possible that he was a member of IR 36 which had "blassrot" (pale red) as regimental colour. 

      Regards

      Christian

       

    8. As you can see the miniature star of the grand cross is mounted on the knights cross of FJO which is part of his medal bar. The owner could not change that when wearing the breast star. It is evident that the breast star was just worn for the purpose for taking the pic. 

      Not really correct but no problem at all.

      Regards

      Christian

       

       

    9. 7 hours ago, tifes said:

      Hi Glenn,

      I would say that this particular medal should be the Medal for saving of the Papal State by Austrian troops 1849 ( Medaille für die Rettung des Kirchenstaates durch österreichische Truppen 1849). If the regiment is correct (Erzherzog Karl Uhlanen Regiment No.3) then the major on the canvas might be probably Ferdinand Graf von (Count of) Vetter von der Lilie, later Feldmarschalleutnant (2 stars general but in k.u.k. Army just one rank below full General). 

      Regards,

      Tom

      I would agree with the medal id indeed.

      Here some facts for Ferdinand Graf Vetter von der Lilie:

      Vetter von der Lilie, Ferdinand Graf (8.7.1812 - 15.9.1882):

      25.9.1854 Generalmajor

      8.9.1866 retired

      15.12.1873 Charakter als Feldmarschallleutnant ad honores.

      Christian

    10. 5 hours ago, Farkas said:

      hi Morar

      Great photo and what a cool frame it is in

      I saw your other post about your journey which led to this and some other nice finds...

      Did the lady tell you which one of these was her relative? and maybe his name?

      I also notice each of the three has decoration on their trousers.

      the sort of thing I would have expected on a hussar tunic ….

       

      once again great photo , nice find...

       

      tony

       

       

       

      Dear Tony,

      the decoration on the trousers were worn by hungarian Honved infantry too. And as far as I remember by all hungarian troops, infantry of the regular common k.u.k. army included.

      Kindest 

      Christian

    11. 14 hours ago, Farkas said:

      Hi gents

      i bought this a little while back. It came with the medals pictured on the trifold ribbons.  Which I doubt belong. Someone must have put them together not recognising the Hindenburg ribbon and instead putting in a wound medal.  However the medals look like a related group of four including the wound medal and then three campaign medals added on. I also notice the ‘swords’  are upside down? But seems like a period made mistake to me. Do the swords on the bar look original to those who know I wonder?

      ive added my own spares to the bar and left the medals in their trifolds....

      hope you like it gents

       

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      tony

      I must confess that I do not why, but it was common style for esp. hungarian officers in the Habsburg army to wear the swords upside down on MVK, Iron Crown and order of Leopold. I have seen it very often.

      Kindest

      Christian

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