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    I collect many types, and especially am interested in antique arms, as well as general police memorabilia, for example truncheons and tipstaves.

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  1. This tipstaff showed up on Ebay recently: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/tipstaff-newcastle-gateshead-2052267473
  2. Excellent, I missed that one, thanks for pointing it out. I personally don't trust much that comes out of the mouths of auctioneers, as they are fairly clueless. Even the ones that sell military items and guns don't know more than just quote Mervyn's book. Often they offer for sale re cut tipstaffs and re painted truncheons, or even outright fakes. The Woolley and Wallis department that sold these tipstaffs was the silver department, so not at all related to our hobby. I do believe this was one man's collection that was offered for sale. Years before this sale, I was offered this
  3. Hello Nightbreak, some very nice Scottish tipstaffs there. The middle painted one from Carmunnock is of a manner and color scheme I have seen in the past, both short and long. Not too many of those around. The one to the left, the "Stirling High Constable" (one marked S.H.C.), was that John's attribution of that tipstaff? ( I didn't see it in his book and I haven't before seen this attribution). Your Edinburgh High Constables tipstaff is a very nice thing. As you probably know, these are rare, and I have seen fewer than 10 specimens over the years. All the ones I've seen had
  4. There we go, now your tipstaff has all of its history back. It was used by Commissioner No. 10, at Ward 14, about 1805 or so, maybe a bit later. I think it's either George III or George IV. Anyway, a good, rare, and valuable piece. Enjoy it!
  5. Brian, you are quite welcome. I'm glad I was able to offer some information. With respect to your first tipstaff, I can't really say where its from in Scotland, but could be Edinburgh, and could also be Glasgow. My sense is that there was someone who made these in one of the Scottish cities, and that they were bought and used provincially. I've never seen a similar one engraved for either England, Wales, Ireland, so I assume this type didn't travel far out of Scotland (that's not to say it couldn't have, and that we won't find one like this engraved for outside of Scotland in the future).
  6. Brian, I would disagree with Mervyn on this one. I believe your second tipstaff is not from Whitstable, but interestingly, also a Scottish tipstaff, this one I can be a little more specific, and say it's an Edinburgh tipstaff, dating from about 1805 (the time of the formation of the capital's force). The engraving likelyr: "C.W" = either initials of the owner, or perhaps "Commissioner Ward" "14.W" = 14th Ward This general form of tipstaff and this type of engraving is known to collectors, and I don't believe there's much disagreement on this attribution. Edinburgh had 2
  7. Mervyn wrote his book in the late 1970's and published in the early 1980's and so he may not have been as experienced then, as he was later on in life, which may be why he called Brian's tipstaff "decorative" and didn't add more to that description. I'm not sure we can ever say there was a "typical" style of tipstaffs, except perhaps the standard issue Parker Field & Sons. Some aspects though, were typical, such as a crown, or a wooden handle. I believe Brian's tipstaff is in the Scottish style, which John Green illustrates in his book. This would be a good thing, as Scottish
  8. Thanks for posting photos of this nice tipstaff and its very unique wood stand. Although Mervyn in his book called it a "decorative tipstaff (no provenance)" I believe this form is typically associated with Scottish tipstaffs. The late John Green illustrated similar ones in his book, "Scottish Insignia". This type of red cloth material has always been curious to me, and I have seen it in the past. Did the top of the crown on this one sustain a direct hit?
  9. Gentleman, It has been a while since we posted or discussed truncheons or tipstaves, and since this particular forum is in honor of Mervyn (whose first love was truncheons and tipstaves) I thought it would be fun for all of us to post a picture of our favorite(s) along with a bit of chat about them! It doesn't have to be an item out of your collection necessarily (although that would be nice), but just an item that is a truncheon or a tipstaff. I'll start us off! I'm including a couple of photos of a tipstaff that was inherited by a fellow who subsequently posted a question abou
  10. Mike, your tipstaff does look Georgian or very early Victorian. I think it's the shape of the top and the handle that looks Georgian, not necessarily the length. I don't think the title "officer" was commonly used for constables that early on, and so perhaps not constabulary. I checked some historical population websites like findmypast and George Horne being a fairly common name, there are almost 250 George Hornes born plus/minus 40 years of 1760 in London, so my guess is it might be nearly impossible to identify this George Horne with any certainty. The National Archives in Kew might off
  11. Have no worries Mark, I would add my voice to others and say that, to the extent we can take a look at an object and have an opinion about it without holding it in our hands, this appears to be a nice and legitimate purchase. The paint style looks right for the period (although perhaps a bit unusual to have the paint laid as it is right on the "bare" wood, but this is not unheard of). typically these wood truncheons were painted with not just one, but a couple of different paint layers, and after being dried, then monogrammed with crown and royal cypher in rather gaudy bright colors.
  12. Photos would help. Without photos, hard to express an opinion. I can say, however, that I have seen colors deteriorate over the years. For example, vivid yellow turns into ochre, canary blue turns into near black, etc. More than 200 years and sunlight plus oxidation can wreak havoc on painted surfaces.
  13. Just came across this post for the Surry tipstaff. Can I just say, I don't think it's legitimate. I think the engraving is spurious. If you evaluate the engraving of the coat of arms and on the words, you can easily see the engraving is sub-standard, child like, and not of the type of work that one finds in legitimate engravings of the period. If you want to see legitimate, high quality period engraving of a coat of arms on a tipstaff, you can take a look at this one: https://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/rare_georgian_brass_tipstaff/as514a793 What do you think?
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