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    avsaribar

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    1. Hello Dean , Yes it is a beatiful 5th Class Crimean Type Medjidie . But it does not belong to that WW1 Bar . Avsar
    2. Hello , It is a brooch . It is NOT an Order. Also that box is a box of an old Pocket Watch. Hope it helps.. Avsar IBAR
    3. Dear Gavin , Very , very nice order in very good condition. Congratulations... Avsar
    4. Hello Dear Gavin , You and all our other friends in GMIC are always welcome . I believe your order is earlier then 1900s . I think end of 19th century. We know that paperboard boxes are later type but we do NOT know the exact date , when they take the place of cotton velvet ones ... So , your order looks perfect in that box ! If i will find an old neck ribbon , i will be very happy to send it to you as a present . Best Regards , Avsar
    5. ABOUT KHEDIVE ; Dear Owain , Khedive was an title used for the Governor's of Egypt by Ottoman Empire . This title was first awarded to Ismail Pasha at 8 June 1866 by Ottoman Sultan Abdulaziz . After Ismail Pasha , this title was passed to his son ( With the order of Sultan 2nd Abdulhamid ) Teyfik Pasha ( 1879 - 1892 ) and Abbas Hilmi Pasha ( 1892 - 1914 ) . At 1914 as Great Britain occupied Egypt , Khedive title passed to his uncle Huseyin Kamil but Ottoman Government accept Abbas Hilmi Pasha until 1922 as Khedive instead of Huseyin Kamil. At 24 July 1923 with the Lozan Agreement , the Khedive subject was finished . From start to the end of this system , The Khedive could Only award Ottoman Orders to Egyptian and British Officers with the Order and Permission of Istanbul (The Sultan) . About how they mint their own medals , there is not to much information we can find but what i believe is they were issued until their own initiative . Normally Ottoman Empire would not let it to be done but that period was the very weak times of the Empire . Including the 1st Khedive Ismail Pasha , all the Khedives want Egypt to be independence and break up from Ottoman Empire . They always tried to act like an independent Sovereign , for example at 1869 , at the inauguration of Suez Canal , he invited the foreign head of States to Egypt without the permission of the Ottoman Sultan . Then he sold the share certificates of the Sues Canal to Great Britain ... Hope it helps , Avsar IBAR
    6. Ps : Only thoose later Paperboard Type boxes have that beautiful Tughra Mark inside of the lid . Velvet types do not have it . That mark is not related with swords or to whom it was awarded , Turk or Foreign ... Velvet boxes have the Tughra Mark on the front cover not inside but your box has the Tughra inside , you did not post it's front cover picture but on the front cover instead of Tughra you must have a Cresent and Star .
    7. Dear Veteran , 1. Very Nice Set . 2. Very beautiful later period type ( paperboard type ) box . 3. Wrong Ribbon . Yes , Sword subject is a late addition to the orders related with WW1 . It is impossible to determine if this set was awarded to a Turkish Officer or a Foreign Officer without it's berat ( Certificate ) . Because same kind of orders awarded to Turks and Allies . Only if you could have it's award certificate , in the front you can find the receipents name and on the back nook it was written which kind of order was awarded , if it was with swords , it was written as "...with Swords " . Ofcourse all in Ottoman Language . Another thing i can say is as i mentioned that box is a later type box so we can think that probably this set was awarded in 1900 ss... Also the type of your orders are Ottoman mint made but later type . ( Mostly Mehmed Reshad Period Medjidie orders are in that type even some of that orders as your's type has the Tughra Mark on the back ... ) As thoose swords are usually additions to the existing orders , the older ones has the Cotton Velvet boxes . It means that receipent get the order before , in ww1 he served , and swords added ... Kind Regards , Avsar Ibar
    8. It is a Fake TWM , this fake is definitely NOT a Turkish Made fake Star. All the Best , Avsar IBAR
    9. Hello , It depends on ; 1 - The Condition . 2 - Does it have the original ribbon ? 3 - Does it have the Swords ? 4 - Does the name of the person whom it was awarded inscribed on the back of the medal ? ( Very Important , nearly double priced . ) 5 - Does it have the award certificate , specially if the owner also inscribed on the reverse of the medal , and the certificate the same name , ULTRA hard to find. Now the price ; Starts from 600 USD to 1800 USD .
    10. Dear Gavin , Very beautiful Crimean 5th Class with Solid Gold Crescent & Star. Nice piece for your collection. Kind Regards , Avsar
    11. Hello , it is ok and a beautiful piece . Can not see the color of the centre where the Tughra located . If the centrer is silver , it is 5th class if it is gold or gold plated , it is a 4th class . Best Wishes, Avsar
    12. Dear Gavin , I just get your e-mail. Long years me and my father collected this Medals and Orders. Thank you very much for your kind words and support. All the best personal regards , Avsar IBAR
    13. Hello , The item which broof is selling in Rarusnet , 2nd Class Medjidie Breast Star , item number 000577 is also a FAKE . He listed it on ebay a while ago too . Now you can see it in Rarusnet web page. Best Wishes , Avsar Ibar
    14. Hello Captain , First of all congragulations , ofcourse original and a very nice , natural 4th class Order of Osmanie You bought ! I can not see from the pictures the conditions of enamels but a 4th class now makes 400 to 650 USD. ( Without the box ) Regards, Avsar Ibar
    15. Also The Medjidie Orders which called " crimean TYPE Medjidie orders " , do Not have the Ottoman Mint Mark on the back. Avsar Ibar
    16. Hello , All the examinations you made are right. It is %100 FAKE . Regards, Avsar Ibar
    17. Hello ,
      It is an original one , of course to say it %100 , i need to take it to my hands but it looks very original , that is why i already offered the seller an amount but he did not accept. :))
      All the best ,
      Avsar IBAR

    18. It is a very long story why they called it "Jewish Medals" but let me try to explain you shortly. In 1908 , it was Sultan II.Abdulhamid period , Sultan declare the 2nd. constitutional monarchy (Mesrutiyet) in Ottoman Empire and it was a very big news for the public. As we look like the modernism and right to the Non-Christians in Ottoman Empire in that period , it was totally a celebration and happiness in the empire. I n that period , this happiness was visible in the flags , post cards , handkerchiefs and even in the custom made medals. But why they called those medals as "Jewish Medals " ? Because if we look to the Sultan Mehmed IV period , in 1600 years , in Selanik (In Greece Now) there was a jewish Origin Sebatay Levi and his followers have been made Muslim , forced to change their religion because of this , their execution is canceled and they were forgiven by the Sultan . When we looked to the public under the II.Mesrutiyet in 1908 , II.Abdulhamid period , we can notice that all the unvisible forces and those people was "Sebatays" . That is why , all the Mesrutiyet lovers called that medals as Jewish Medals and that name came to our days ... Hope it helps , Avsar IBAR
    19. Both Of them "Un-Official" - other name known as "Jewish" Medals.
    20. Hello Chris , Yes , it is about Navy. This medal was awarded to the ones whom helped Ottoman Empire's Naval Forces during the Sultan Reshad and the Last Sultan Vahideddin periods . There are also Silver and Gold versions. Best , Avsar
    21. Dear Mr.Hasan , As you mentioned the size 25 mm diameter , it can not be Silver , Silver ones are 28 mm. So it is made of Nickel or Bronze. From the picture , i feel like it is the NI (Nickel Version) . All the best , Avsar
    22. Yes , 260716562216 is also a %100 fake.
    23. Dear Lambert , Your suspect is right , it is %100 fake . As same as that sellers all other items on ebay. Happy new year , Avsar Ibar
    24. You are welcome Komtur. I am happy that i could help. Nice piece ...
    25. Hello Jk , Can you inform us who are thoose people ? All the best , Avsar Ibar
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