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This guy was out of service 1916 - 1918 and got the Ludwig cross around 1917.

Yes, see this little bar:

Komtur, great information! Many thx!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The owner found the items when he cleared out a house basement, he neither collects any kind of medals nor has any knowledge about his greatgreatuncle, so he decided he could use the money better than the medals.

Heiko, what do you mean, is there a problem with the group?

I got this medal bar which has some rare medals on from the winners family. Unfortunately I only have the family name and no other information. I appreciate any help on following questions: -Family name is Deubert, can this be verfied? -How many men got the combination of PrMEZ1 and PrMEZ2 during the action in German South-West-Africa? -Is there a list of the PrMEZ1 winners in SWA/German colonies? -Is it possible to find out in which unit this guy has served in SWA? Thanks for all help!

Cross looks good, in my eyes an original item.

Yes it is.

This is exactly the point. White is very easy and can be done perfectly. But not this old blue enamel.

I have never met someone who can do this work anymore. Let it like it is, the chance to ruin the item is extremely high. Most pieces are like yours is due to the thin enamel.

Also looks good in my eyes.

OK, 3rd model 3rd class, not an item for a serious collection.

How many were awarded?

What silver or maker marks are on the item?

The jewellery firms did both, depending on the condition of the pieces, however, it was solid gold and was taken into account. One can follow this if one has a look into the history of the Military Max Joseph Order, some pieces were returned, reworced, awarded again and survived from the Napoleonic war into WW1.

Correct, mainly given to Majors and Lieutenat Cornels.

There were around 28.000 4th classes w X, about 750 3rd classes, plus: many 3rd classes were returned after the winner had died.

Silver gilt pieces NEVER have golden middle medaillons, they HAVE TO HAVE wider cross arms, they are ALWAYS hollow made. The item showed in the pic is therefore clearly an upgraded 4th class.

Maybe made in the 30ies by a non-Bavarian maker? Godet, Maybauer?

100% true. No exceptions.

1. Hausinger 1845 - 1876 2. Elchinger took over Hausinger, 1876 - 1892 3. Hemmerle took over Elchinger, since 1893, still in business 4. Quellhorst I. 1838 - 1868 5. Quellhorst II. 1868 - 1901 6. Weiß took over Quellhorst II. 1903 - 1930 7. Leser 1906, still in business as jewellers Lauer no dates but still in business. Deschler no dates, maybe still in business.

Nice set but not matching. 1st type MVKs were awarded until 1905, J.Leser got his first contract to produce Bavarian medals in 1906.

Yes because it is worth 400 (already in this year!!) and if I had seen it before I had bought it for m uch more! Buying for low money is always a good thing and a good target but one should not forget how rare some things are and how the sales price of rare stuff is.

I had the name of the owner years ago but unfortunarley I lost it. All I know it must have been a Wachtmeister or Feldwebel from Braunschweig, this is all I remember. I got the group about 10 or 12 years ago for really extremely small money at a German medal show in Illingen. Maybe somebody of the medal bar experts can trace it, would be great, many thx in advance. I would think it was awarded 1913/14 just before WW1, maybe the winner was a member of an official Braunschweig delegation visiting Bavaria? The body of the medal is markew G.H., no silver mark but I have never seen the backside as the medal is sewn on and I do not want to cut it off.

What do you guys thiink abiut this medal bar?