macchianera72

Sure! they are  official and original italian medals,
but there are other models of italians official medals

The edges of this Cuban medal are a little bit irregular but the medal seems to be original.

Bill,

post also the reverse please,

Macchianera72

2 hours ago, Bilco said:

Hi macchianera72 - if there is no signature (by which I guess you mean the manufacturer's name) how do we know it is by Lorioli & Castelli? I have one, but always understood that the manufacturer is unknown.

Bill

Hi Bill,
There are 4 different Lorioli & Castelli  models with the signature.

For your medal without signature, please send me some pictures, I hope I can identify them...

On 18/02/2018 at 17:53, davidck said:

Thanks Rob, I actually do have an example of the Type 4, and three variants of the Lorioli variety.  Macchianera seemed to indicate there was a 4th Lorioli variant, which I was unaware of.

yes the Lorioli's variants are four;
Type 4 without signature is another medal

On 14/1/2017 at 20:29, davidck said:

After much hunting, I completed my collection of the three variants of Lorioli's Italian medal.

Italian VIC Lorioli types are four... ;-)

Cuba Vic, Unofficial Tipe 2

Congratulations David,

love your medal 

For me is the same... look fine...

Claudio.

Hi Bill,
thank you for your opinion,
Yes, i got it from "Mercado Livre"

Claudio

Hi Gentlemen of the Club,

Hi Lambert,

I would like to have your opinion about this medal from Brazil.

Thank's

Claudio. (Macchianera72)

On 7/12/2014 at 18:38, johnnymac said:

Thank you for the comeback I have enjoyed your website as many others do.

 

The Casa Butuller firm, as you wrote, sold several different types of medals, if I'm to understand you correctly. But since Laslo's books, many more official, unofficial and repro medals have been found.

 

Normally when a company is selling an item, the item remains the same unless they are not the maker but the buyer of the item in question. So could it be that Butuller was the only seller "or" the outlet for many medal makers?

Look at the medal itself there is more than one difference than just the suspension ring as you suggested. Look at the rays of light going from wing to wing and note how they go from large rays to small rays at the middle and back to larger rays on the other wing. Also as I highlighted in my illustrations, the faces are different as well as the bunch of flowers, dress and the suspensions.

 

I can agree that many unofficial medals may have come from Butuller's firm. However I cannot agree that they should have the same classification as an unofficial type-1 as listed in Laslo's book. I can agree, though, they should be classified as unofficial type-1A and unofficial type-1B , C, D and so on, coming from the firm of Butuller in Lisbon, with maker unknown.

 

Many should realize that Laslo's book was not the definitive edition. As I know my own book (World War I, Victory Medals, by Michels 2014 - being sold on Amazon) is not "the last word" as well.

 

Sorry for book selling plug.

Dear johnnymac,

In my opinion, the photo of medal by site "Order of decorations of medals 1914-1918" (on the right) is in very low resolution and of poor quality...(medal appear to be stretched)  probably this fact makes we to mistake:  i have this medal... for me is like unofficial tipe-3 of your book (pag.254 2nd ed.)
Probably a Butuller's new type. 

What do you think?

Thank's for your Book (i love it) and sorry for my bad English.

Macchianera72

On 9/12/2016 at 20:41, Bilco said:

Hi Gents,

I'm after your opinions of this medal ....

It has a small/narrow ball or very thick wire suspension, the 'Paul Dubois' is present but rather indistinct compared to otherOfficial type 1s I have, and the colour has a rather coppery, slightly shiney tone. The planchet edge is clean and smooth; diameter 36mm, 2mm thick.

So, is it an Official Type 1 with an odd suspension, a well-made copy, or something else?

Bill

Dear Bill,

I have about 40 victory medals of Belgium (official type).
I tried to classify them by types, considering: weight, diameter, thickness, suspension ball, etc ...
Your example is very interesting for me and not common
I have only one medal similar to yours (for suspension device) but mine is not reddish.
However, I think your medal is original, and mine probably is a copy.

weight = 20,1 gr.

diameter = 36,02 mm

thickness = 2,0 mm

ball / thick wire = 4,4 mm (large)

Hello Gentlemen,

The Italian Victory medal unofficial type 3 is very rare...
I know only two collectors in Italy who have it,
one of this medal is in bronze, the other in white metal,
These medals have the "staffa" as a suspension device...
The medal in my photo is the one mentioned by Laslo on page 57 (note 18)

"The unofficial type 3 obverse design also apears on a Belgian medal of the period. ..."  

The reverse is blank

The suspension device is a ball

The ribbon is the same described by Laslo (note 18)

and it is the only medal I've seen of this type.

Can we consider this medal like "Italian unofficial type 3-A ?

Hello Gentlemen,

Lorioli Type (short signature) with different suspension device: "angular staffa"
The "staffa" does not seem to have traces of welding

Anyone knows other Italian Victory Medals with this suspension device?

Thank's

Macchianera72

Hello,
I show two peculiarities
1) a second type of landing victory ...
2) a modified landing victory medal

I show you another type of the Inter-Allied medal document (hard to find)  issued by the district of the city of Perugia

Hello, 

I'm from Italy... 
In my opinion the Diploma of Sumserbrown is not of the italian interallied victory medal,
but it is what the medal "coined in bronze enemy"

On the official Italian Victory medal the date is MCMXIV (1914) and not MCMXV (1915) like in the Sumserbrown Diploma

the right diploma is in the picture... (the date is MCMXIV)

Hallo Lambert,

this is not the first 
I have many Interallied Victory Medals,  but for the first time I have one of Siam in my hands,
I'm looking for 4 medals:
1) The issue of South Africa bilingual without mark
2) U.S. Victory Medal with "Beveled Lug" suspension device
3) Italian Victory Medals unofficial (rare types)
4) The Brasilian Victory Medal
...and few other unofficial types

Kind Regards

Claudio,  from Italy

Paul, Lambert, Bilco and Dave, Thank You,

This is the reverse...

Hello to all,
What do you think of my last purchase?
is an original?
thank's,

Claudio from Italy,

I have some doubts about the cylinder of suspension...

Thank You very much Lambert.

observed normally seems ok...
but observed with a magnifying glass I have some doubts ...

Hi Lambert,

I modified the previous post showing the back of the medal