Bayern

Graf ,Servitore !

On 04/04/2021 at 00:59, motojosh said:

MG08 shield marked Sturm Batl 4. 2nd M.G.K. Regensburg and taken at their training area at Oudenaarde in August 1917. I'm only showing that STB4 had 1 MGK so is this perhaps just a MGK that took their training course?

 

 

Grave of Karl Jasper of the 2nd Kompanie of Sturm-Bataillon Nr.1

Musketier ... a  old fashioned word going back to the XVIII Century

5 hours ago, GreyC said:

Hi,

Glenn said most of what could be said.

However, let me add a tiny bit of information and three photos:

The Landwehr NCOs and other ranks did have the same uniform as the line units, however they were distinguished from them by way of cockade, which had the Landwehrcross on it (1st photo). The Pickelhauben also had a Landwehr-cross on it. See attached photo from Kürassier Regiment 7. The Rittmeister of the Landwehr-Provinzial Kavallerie with visor cap does not wear the Landwehr-cross on cockade and the number of the Army Corps on his shoulder-piece, so I was told.

GreyC

The Field grey version of the Landwehr Kavallerie Officers Waffenrock 

On 16/08/2021 at 07:13, Graf said:

Interesting photo of King Ferdinand with German Generalfeldmarschall  uniform.

Ferdinand of Bulgaria after his abdication returned to Germany and lived in Coburg until his death in 1948 . Hitler apreciated much the Inteligent and witty Ferdinand 

Hello Valter , The subject of the origins ,migration and mixing of Peoples is very interesting and complex . I am glad that you understands my point of view ,Kind regards 

Grey C :  I only punctualized the fact that the German Jews served as OYV in many cases . They have the  required money to do so . and the education required to become reserve Leutnant after pass all the exams and fulfill the requisites . If they were commisioned is another thing. the exception were the Baptized Jews  which more or less could reach the rank of Leutnant . Others as Hugo Gutmann (1880 1962 ) joined the Army ( Bavarian in his case ) served two years and was posted in the Reserve with the rank of Feldwebel . when the War was declared in 1914 he was recalled  and destined to serve in the 16th Reserve Infantry Regiment of the Bavarian Army. he was commisioned in April of 1915 . Gutmann was the direct chief of Adolf Hitler and proposed him to the EK first class . I think that the Jews who were commisioned during the War could have been former OYVs 

On 18/08/2021 at 16:52, GreyC said:

Hi,

antisemitism in the Prussian/German army was a fact.

The link below leads to a summary on the antisemetic stance of politicians and the German military towards the German Jewish population. The German military conducted a statistical survey in 1916 to determine how many Jews were serving in the Imperial army:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenzählung

17,3 % of the German population was Jewish and over all the same percentage was found to serve in the German army. So there was no reason to blame Jews for being cowards or the like. HOWEVER:

According to military historian Christian Stachelbeck there were 51 000 active officers and 226 000 reserve officers in the German army. So 277.000 total. As far as I know there were only 2000 Jewish military officers in the imperial army (besides roughly 12.000 medical doctors, pharmacists, Militär-Beamte with officers rank according to WIKIPEDIA, if these numbers hold. According to an article in the Spiegel even only 3000 officers, doctors and Militärbeamte).

Now I don´t call that many, not even proportionate, even if you add the doctors etc. and go with the higher WIKIPEDIA numbers.

The facts show: although the German Jews were proportionally represented in the German army, the percentage of Jewish officers was well below of what could or should have been.

Major der Artillerie Meno Burg was the only Stabsoffizier (Major or higher) in the Prussian army during the 19th century. According to the Spiegel, from 1885 on there were  no jewish Reserveoffiziere in the Prussian army until the start of the war.

https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/juedische-soldaten-in-deutschen-armeen-grausame-taeuschung-a-946547.html

And this, although from 1880 to 1909 between 25.000-30.000 Jews served in the military as Einjährige, who overwhelmingly ended up as Reserveoffiziere - normally.

https://www.grin.com/document/430851

Only in 1914 were Jews allowed to become officers due to the strains the war put onto the German officer´s corps.  So it is not doubtful, that he was not allowed to be promoted to officer status. Until 1914 it was against the regulations of the army!

So what your grandfather might have experienced is not the rule, the officers in his regiment must have been promoted after 1914 and if there were many, it was not the norm.

GreyC

 

 

 

Hello , regarding the German Jews and the Army , specially the Prussian Army , pre 1914 many Jews entered in the Army as One Year Volunteers . normally in Infantry of the Line regiments but also in Artilley or Pioniere units. the Cavalry was more restrictive but ... one Garde kavallerie regiment was notorious for receive Jewish OYV , it was the second Garde dragoner Regiment nicknamed  King Sauls Own and the twelve tribes. the Jewish OYV serving in the Prussian Army inclusive was kindly caricaturized by contemporary artists. 

On 15/08/2021 at 02:33, chechaco1 said:

low-quality casting, fake.
however, if you want to, then convince yourself that this is such a private performance.
The main thing is that you like it.
The medal is so widespread that finding a problem-free one is not a problem.

http://medalirus.ru/pamyatnie-medali/pamyat-300-dom-romanovyh-s.php

http://medalirus.ru/pamyatnie-medali/pamyat-300-dom-romanovyh.php

and, it should be noted, for your comfort, that the state medal is bronze, absolutely all silver is the parrot attempts of the awarded or dealers from faleristics.
Choose the option that suits you )))

Absolutly Clear !

On 16/08/2021 at 00:37, Graf said:

Hi Bayern,

The uniform belongs to a fellow collector i sold to him several pairs of epaulettes, as part of  trimming my collection, including the Oberstartz ones.

 

I will ask him

 

Best

Thanks !

On 14/08/2021 at 08:12, Graf said:

 

graf , Very interesting all , specially the Waffenrock and Helm of a Medical Officer in the rank of Colonel a Oberstarzt. one detail i want to ask you , The clasp of the feldbinde is the right model for Medical Officers ?

crazyee ,  Give me a couple of days to review my old Herder  dictionary and will be able to give you an answer about the elements of the German sanitaet during WW1

Sanitaet Officers ( Medical Officers ) carried de staff and serpent badge on the Shoulder Boards inclusive the Unterarzte . the badge of Veterinarians was the serpent alone . 

Hello ,looks like a coat of arms of some kind . The model doenst carry also a name ? for example , Provence, Bretagne , Dauphine , etc ?

Looks very rough . 

The fur is natural or artificial stuff ?

Many Royal Hungarian Honved Officers were not csapatizst even if the belonged to combatant Arms . as was said they belonged to Staffs, or were reactivated to perform reaguard duties. Once I read a book of Mrs Ilona Csiky a Hungarian woman which emigrated after WW2 to Argentina . among other aspects of her pre and during WW2 life in her Country she relates that her father was an Artillery officer in the Honved ,Captain during the late twenties and in 1941 was retired as Major or lieutenat colonel . he was reactivated but notfor combat duties. he was put in charge of a Hospital as Military chief and ended the war in Austria with the Hospital in a Train .

Hello, FW Backhaus was a maker of swords sabres, daggers, cuttlery, etc located in Ohlig Solingen . The trademark was a child mounted on a stork. your pen knife appears to be of WW1 era . please, amplify the inscription visible under the Celluloid grips

Fohadnagy , Magyar Kiralyi Honvedseg , service uniform with patches bordered with gold cord .shoulder boards on both shoulders in gold cord . Colour of the patches ? look as the green of the Infantry not the light blue of the Hussars but after 1942 the Cavalry weared the dark blue patches of the Mobile Corps. All Honved Oficers wear two cord SBs in gold flecked with red , in WW1 only those of Mounted Arms carried on the left shoulder cord Sb . By 1953 the Royal Honved uniform was banned . I see H H that could means Honved Huszar . certainly there were no !8 Cavalry Regiment. In 1941 existed four Cavalry regiments . perhaps the 44 isthe year, in 1944 the 1st Cavalry division was deployed in the Eastern Front after Operation Bagration 

My  pleasure !

On 27/07/2021 at 01:00, The Prussian said:

Ah, yes you´re right. But it´s more an oversight then detailed uniform parts.

I´m stil looking for a cuirassier helmet we see in the photo.

The Prussian , Try in the site : uniformology.com / RUHL 17 , apart from other countries are plates of the Imperial Chnese Army 1910

On 03/08/2021 at 23:18, Deutschritter said:

Thanks for that!

Servitore !

Servitore !

Deutschritter , The retirement ,more precisely  go to the Ruhestand Passive situation of Oberst Graf Richtofen took place as consequence of the implication of Generalmajor Graf Kuno von Moltke ,in the Eulenburg _ Harden - Moltke Scandal and trials . once cleared the affaire (more or less ) Your Oberst returned to the Aktive Dienst 

Greetings Boris , You  reapeared !

922f The French Army model of Epaulettes in 1914 was rather confusing. basically there were 1 epaulettes for Subaltern Officers ,sublieutenant to captain; 2 epaulettes for Field Officers ; Commandant to Colonel . 3 epaulettes for Generals .  the 1 were of two types, with 10 cm long fine loose fringes and without fringes . the Sublieutenant carried two fringeless epaulettes one on each shoulder. the lieutenant carried one fringeless on the right shoulder and one with fringes on the left shoulder , the first lieutenant at the inverse . the captain two fringed epaulettes one on each shoulder. The 2 were as follow : for Commandant (Major ) one with a fringe of 7cm long cords bounded together and the other ,on the right shoulder ,fringeless. for Lieutenant Colonel the two epaulettes have fringes but while the body of the epaulette was in metal colour as the button one the fringes were in the oposite metal . for Colonel there were two epaulettes with fringes all in button metal colour. The 3 were gold epaulettes with a thick rigid fringe . equal for all the Generals .the distinction was marked by the silver stars carried over ,from two to five . finally ,the Adjutant and Adjutant Chief carried also Subaltern Officer Type epaulettes but with a red line running through