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    1. I'm not really convinced, after seeing so many sources give different information. Perhaps today these are the official names, but in the first half of the 20th century they were not called that. I agree. I will also keep the part "2nd class" for the Commander and Knight of the Swedish orders. For my purposes (the Swedish awards to Kriegsmarine admirals), I will trust the period sources of the time (award rolls, state calendars and award documents). Thank you very much for your help once again!
    2. Here is also the information from Borna Barac: Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World. It matches the names of the classes in the award rolls. It seems that some kind of change happened in 1975. Would you know anything about that? Perhaps the names of the classes were changed in that year? The Commander classes of the Order of Vasa are noted as only "Commander" and "Commander breast star". But I guess this is a mistake, because your award documents confirm the part "1st class" and "2nd class" were in the official name.
    3. It's odd that the award date for the MVK2 in the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste is 14.02.1901. If your date is the Mecklenburg-Schwerin award date, what could this other date be I wonder?
    4. I can give you some more information and also the full photo. "Group photo of the Staff of the XXX. Army Corps and some Kriegsmarine officers from the Staff of the Naval-Commander „A“ in Bulgaria (possibly in Plovdiv) shortly before the German invasion of Greece, late March 1941. 1: Generalleutnant Eugen Ott, Tasked with the Leadership of the XXX. Army Corps (25 March 1941-10 May 1941) 2: Konteradmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch, Naval-Commander „A“ (14 February 1941-20 April 1941) 3: Oberstleutnant i.G. Walter Botsch, Chief of the General Staff of the XXX. Army Corps (25 October 1940-01 June 1943)"
    5. Sorry, I do not own this document. The relative of admiral Kolbe sent me a scan of this document a few years ago. Taking into consideration the names of the classes in the award rolls and the few examples of award documents you presented here, I would say the official names of the classes of the Order of the Sword and Order of Vasa awarded to Kriegsmarine admirals are the following: Grand Cross Commander 1st Class Commander 2nd Class Knight 1st Class Knight 2nd Class Would you agree? Even if some websites say the official names do not contain the part "2nd Class".
    6. I have no idea. It's possible. But I would think they would use the official names for the classes in the award rolls? What about award documents? Do you have some examples for the Commander 2nd Class and Knight 2nd Class? I think the actual award documents should have the most accurate information. I have this example for Hans Kolbe's Order of Vasa (Knight 2nd Class). It says Wasa Orden andra Klassen?
    7. Or to be more precise. What were the official names of the classes for both orders until 1945? Because that's when the Kriegsmarine admirals were awarded these two orders.
    8. @JohanH I have a question about the names of the classes of the Swedish Order of the Sword and the Order of Vasa. For both orders, are the official names of the classes these: Grand Cross Commander 1st Class Commander 2nd Class Knight 1st Class Knight 2nd Class Or these: Grand Cross Commander 1st Class Commander Knight 1st Class Knight Because I found conflicting information about the names. The official website of the Swedish Royal Orders of Knighthood gives the names for the Commander and Knight without the "2nd Class" part. See the links below: https://kungligmajestatsorden.se/english/orders/the-order-of-the-sword https://kungligmajestatsorden.se/english/orders/the-order-of-vasa Thanks!
    9. I forgot, we actually have all three dates now: 22 October 1940: Swedish award date 5 November 1940: date of presentation 12 March 1941: German approval date
    10. As far as I saw, it usually took at least a month for the Germans to approve a foreign decoration. There are also cases where several months or even years passed before an approval.
    11. Hello @JohanH Can you please find Walther Oehler in the Swedish award rolls? According to his Personalakte, he was awarded the Swedish Order of the Sword (class unknown) on 5 November 1940. I don't know if the award date is correct. Many thanks!
    12. Portrait of Konteradmiral Ludolf von Hohnhorst, taken in late 1944 or sometime in 1945. His career during WW2: -Advisor in the Naval Signals Department, OKM (16 February 1939-30 June 1940) -Advisor in the Sub-Department Navy, Armistice-Commission for France (01 July 1940-18 April 1941) -Chief of Staff of the Admiral of the Norwegian West-Coast (23 April 1941-22 September 1942) -Detached to the Staff of the Commanding Admiral Norway (23 September 1942-06 November 1942) -Senior-Quartermaster with the Staff of the Commanding Admiral Norway/Naval-High-Command Norway (07 November 1942-12 May 1944) -Acting-Commandant of the Sea-Fortifications of Bergen (24 April 1944-21 August 1944) -Commandant of the Sea-Fortifications of the Polar Sea Coast (Norway) (30 August 1944-20 November 1944) -Chief of Staff of the Naval-High-Command Norway (08 December 1944-31 May 1945)
    13. I can see you copied this list from the Axis History Forum (posted by the user Requin Marteau). He made some mistakes. Here are the corrections and additions: - Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille (Zentenarmedaille) 1897 (22. 03. 1897) - Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden IV. Klasse mit Schwertern (07. 07. 1900) - China-Denkmünze in Bronze mit Spange „Taku“ (5 October 1901 is NOT the award date. He read the day/month the other way around. What is written is 10 May 1901, but this is the date when the China-Denkmünze was instituted, and NOT the award date. The award date is unknown) - Großherrlich Osmanischer Medschidié-Orden IV. Klasse (1 May 1902 is the publication date of the 1902 Rangliste and NOT the award date. The award date is unknown) - Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (05. 09. 1909) - Ritterkreuz des Großherzoglich Badischen Militär-Karl-Friedrich-Verdienstordens (06. 04. 1918) (source: https://gmic.co.uk/topic/2918-karl-friedrich-verdienst-orden/#comment-25597) - Ritterkreuz des Königlich Bayerischen Militär-Max-Joseph-Ordens (01. 05. 1918) (source: https://gmic.co.uk/topic/2871-militär-max-joseph-orden/#comment-25188) I would like to ask if anyone knows any more award dates for Nerger's awards? Perhaps for the Ritterkreuz des Königlich Württembergischen Militärverdienstordens? Here is the full list of awards I have: -Pour le Mérite am 24.02.1918 als Fregattenkapitän und Kommandant des Hilfskreuzers „Wolf“ -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern (23. 07. 1917) -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse -Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille (Zentenarmedaille) 1897 (22. 03. 1897) -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden IV. Klasse mit Schwertern (07. 07. 1900) -Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse (14. 02. 1901) -China-Denkmünze in Bronze mit Spange „Taku“ -Großherrlich Osmanischer Medschidié-Orden IV. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (05. 09. 1909) -Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz -Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz I. Klasse -Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse -Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse -Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz -Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz -Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Württembergischen Militärverdienstordens -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Sächsischen Militär-St.-Heinrichs-Ordens (25. 02. 1918) -Ritterkreuz des Großherzoglich Badischen Militär-Karl-Friedrich-Verdienstordens (06. 04. 1918) -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Bayerischen Militär-Max-Joseph-Ordens (01. 05. 1918) -Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
    14. Seeing how the Marinebeamter in the photo above doesn't have the RAO4 and the last ribbon is most likely the Zentenarmedaille (which Frerichs didn't have) like Dave said, I think it can't be Frerichs after all. So I looked for more possible candidates in the 1929 Intendanturbeamten - Kriegsrangliste. I found this Beamter: Baeck?, born 1876, entered service in 1896 (which would make him eligible for the Zentenarmedaille) The entry in the 1929 Intendanturbeamten - Kriegsrangliste says he was at that point retired. But he could've been reactivated to active service at some point. His award list includes: - Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse - Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse - Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz (which was replaced by the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen after 02 October 1936) - Südwestafrika-Denkmünze - Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz All these awards also fit with the Marinebeamter in the above photo. Could this Baeck? be the person in the above photo? Can anyone find more information about him? Thanks!
    15. The entry in the Personalakte of Konteradmiral Erich Müller says he was awarded the "Commander's Cross 1st Class of the Order of the White Rose of Finland with Swords" on 11 August 1942 (see the photo below). Can anyone confirm the class, award date and if it was with or without Swords? Thanks!
    16. Group photo of the Staff of the XXX. Army Corps and some Kriegsmarine officers from the Staff of the Naval-Commander „A“ in Bulgaria (possibly in Plovdiv) shortly before the German invasion of Greece, late March 1941. 1: Generalleutnant Eugen Ott, Tasked with the Leadership of the XXX. Army Corps (25 March 1941-10 May 1941) 2: Konteradmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch, Naval-Commander „A“ (14 February 1941-20 April 1941) 3: Oberstleutnant i.G. Walter Botsch, Chief of the General Staff of the XXX. Army Corps (25 October 1940-01 June 1943) After the occupation of Greece, the Kriegsmarine had to take over the necessary sea transports and the securing of maritime traffic as well as coastal defence in the Aegean. For this purpose, the Staff of the Coastal Commander Nordfriesland was detached from its area of command and made available as Naval Commander „A“ for deployment in the Balkans in Plovdiv (also called Philippopel in German), Bulgaria on 14 February 1941. From here, the Staff took part in the German advance through Greece. On 21 April 1941, the office in Athens was then renamed to Naval Commander Greece. It had German and Italian units at its disposal in varying numbers. On 1 July 1941, the office of Naval Commander Greece was renamed to Admiral Aegean.
    17. I would appreciate if more members shared their opinion on whether the person in the photo I posted is Ministerialrat Frerich Frerichs. @Daniel Krause, @Glenn J or @Nicolas7507 perhaps?
    18. I have a question about the Finnish Commemorative Medal of the „War of Liberation“ (Vapaussodan muistomitali). I know this medal could've been awarded with a Clasp. Can anyone tell me if there was just one Clasp, or multiple? What was the Clasp called? I know of this example (see below), awarded to Paul Wülfing von Ditten. The inscription on the Clasp says "SYD FINLAND". I found here: https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/240156 that this Clasp (that has an inscription in Swedish? is that correct?) "was intended for the Swedish-speaking inhabitants of southwest Finland and for the Swedish voluntary participants in the war". If so, why was Paul Wülfing von Ditten (a German) awarded this Clasp? Thanks!
    19. Thank you Dave. Do you think it's Frerichs in the photo though? Given the rather unique combination of awards (the Südwestafrika-Denkmünze in particular). Frerichs entered military service on 01 April 1899, so he wasn't eligible for the Centenary Medal. Also, can you confirm the 2nd ribbon is indeed the Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz? His biography has no mention of Freikorps service, so I am unable to confirm if he was eligible for the Baltenkreuz. Also, the lack of the RAO4 (which Frerichs had) on the ribbon bar is problematic.
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