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  1. A very interesting thread. I have also been looking at the activities of the Special (Irish) Branch (S.I.B.) and in particular at the members of the Irish Constabulary involved in Port Duties, both during and after the Fenian dynamite conspiracies. You may be interested in this thread (click here) relating to the S.I.B. and which throws a few more names into play. Members of the R.I.C. present in British Ports and Cities can be found here. It's largely unstructured but is an attempt to record further names some of whom may well have worked alongside, or embeedded in, the SIB. Melville gets a fair bit of a mention from one of my members - Hope this adds a bit more to the mix.
  2. Very informative, and superb images supporting the text. I wonder how many others were ex-RN and potentially holders of service medals.
  3. I first came across this medal being offered for sale in 1992. Despite extensive searches, I was unable to identify 'C.M. Wood' as ever being associated with any of the Irish Police forces, clerical judiciary or office staff. The RCMP Museum was unable to help even with a full name (this was in the 90's so new archives may be available now). I have come across a further 10 'funnies'; all Visits 1911, some engraved to the MPSC, Gdn Hrs, Stoke on Trent Police, others unnamed but with named military medals. I have a feeling some of these men may have provided services in the St Johns Ambulance at the time, but this is only a speculation. The RIC did have a Colonial Policing training school and it is possible that men were present there, but usually these would have been of commissioned or NCO ranks. Again, I cannot place any of my '11 funnies' as positively being in Ireland at that time.
  4. Hello IMP. I haven’t got any images myself but I recall some years back looking for some, and indeed found some either online or in old copies of the RUC Gazette. Sadly I didn’t save them. Most of the band photos are of the Pipe Band and they are seen wearing highland dress or greens usually. If I come across them again I will update this thread. When you say a different colour, could that be slight shade variations due to the dye manufacturing process?
  5. Cheers Mike! I got alerted to this via an email notification. The images are missing due to Photobuckets change in policy on third party image hosting, which has affected millions of users worldwide - and some 2500 broken image links in my case. There is a fix I can apply (or repost the photos) but I need to be able to edit my own posts on this site, and that functionality (editing) seems to become locked after a period of time. Perhaps an admin can unlock it for me. Nice rattle you just recently posted. I don't know if you ever give these a 'twirl' to hear the sound - I'm reluctant to do it on mine as the wood is so aged now - although I did slowly rotate it once. P.S. I've applied the 'fix' to my own site so you can view the same images here: http://irishconstabulary.com/topic/1364#.WYrFEq2ZOMI
  6. Hi Peter, I came across your photos of the RUC Dress Uniform. I have two slightly different types and I am looking for information. Did you ever manage to find photos of the uniforms being worn

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      Peter Mc

      There are a few photos of the RUC mess jacket being worn but by members of the RUC band. Why not post up your variations?


  7. Those 'feather or leaf-like things' are in fact a shamrock; the original device used by the Constabulary of Ireland before it adopted the harp as its crest.
  8. By way of comparison, here is one from the Irish police: The earliest known form of communication between constables was the police 'rattle', carried in the tail of the coat and used to summon help. It was effective to about 500 yards and was in use from the 1840's until around 1880; individual forces replacing the rattle with the whistle from about 1860 onwards. This example was issued to the Irish police and bears the crest of the Constabulary of Ireland, together with 'KILm XI', perhaps a reference to a parish watch. It is a rare and possibly unique reminder of the earliest years of the Irish constabulary. The force crest of the Constabulary of Ireland - Marked 'Kilm XI' -
  9. That's not an RIC crest, but a set of initials that looks like RJC. Even if it were RIC I would expect it to be stamped with a rack number as well. Not a police firearm imo.
  10. That is very interesting dksgiggs. Can you put up a photo of the carbine and a close up of the crest? What is the serial number? PM me if preferred.
  11. This is the ISM awarded to John Code, Royal Irish Constabulary Office, Dublin, 1903. This came in an unnamed box (although this box may be a replacement). Also shown is the ISM awarded to Frederick Hamilton, Royal Irish Constabulary Office, Dublin, 1908; together with his two Visit to Ireland medals. As you can see it came in a named box of issue.
  12. Incredible! Thanks Nick and Markus, you've opened my eyes to an order I'd never really looked at in detail before. I believe it was awarded at the Palace is Ispahan along with a 'Firman?' and the court poet recited an ode in Swifte's honour.
  13. Could anyone help me with finding some images of the 2nd Class Order of the Lion and Sun circa 1900? I know is that the the insignia of the 2nd Class of the Imperial Persian Order of the Lion and Sun was awarded to either Ernest Godwin Meade Swifte or Lathom Coddington Swifte (the records are unclear), who was at the time based in the Imperial Palace in Ispahan and was Equerry to the brother of the Shah of Persia. Another report says he (either Ernest of Lathom) was Equerry to the Shah's children - so there is a chance that both brothers were there at the same time. E G M Swifte received the order Feb 1900 (London Gazette 14 June 1901), and what I'm looking for is images of the order as at that date - I don't know if the insignia changed over the years. Was the insignia just a breast badge or was it a neck badge also? Many thanks
  14. Timo, I believe the medallion you refer to was just one of a number of commercially made variants offered for sale, or purchased in bulk by civic bodies to issue at the event. For example, during the 1900 Visit, thousands of schoolchildren were given a medal when attending Phoenix Park. These sometimes appear on the market as 'gallantry' medals as they have 'To commemorate Irish valour' on the reverse. The sharp eyed amongst you wil have noticed my deliberate mistake in the 1911 article further up. It was of course Qheen Mary who accompanied George, not Alexandra.
  15. The Medal To commemorate the Royal Visit to Ireland of Queen Victoria in 1900 and that of King Edward VII in 1903, special bronze medals were struck and issued to Irish Police Forces on duty at those times. A silver medal was issued in recognition of the Visit of King George V to Ireland in July 1911 and was notified in the Royal Irish Constabulary Lists as follows: MEDAL COMMEMORATIVE OF THE VISIT OF KING GEORGE V TO IRELAND IN 1911 By Command of His Majesty a silver Commemorative Medal was issued to all Officers and Men of the Royal Irish Constabulary, and of the Dublin Metropolitan Police, who were then on duty in Dublin. The Medal is also held by the Members of the Civil Service Staffs of the Royal Irish Constabulary and Dublin Metropolitan Police Offices, Dublin Castle. The ribbon of the 1911 Visit Medal is dark green flanked by two red stripes, reflecting the colours of the RIC. It was designed by Sir Edgar Bertram Mackennal, whose initial 'B.M.' appear on the lower right front. Numbers Issued Based on Royal Mint records (MINT 20/468) the actual distribution of the medals was as follows: Royal Irish Constabulary - 1022 RIC Office Staff - 24 Dublin Metropolitan Police - 1314 DMP Office Staff - 4 St John Ambulance Brigade - 92 Kingstown Harbour Police - 11 Phoenix Park and St Stephens Green Police - 10 TOTAL - 2477 764 yards of ribbon was purchased from Messrs Redmayne at a cost of £36/12s/2d; and the weight of the silver bullion used in the manufacture of the medals was 2631.12 ozs. The order was completed on the 28th June 1912 Details of the Royal Visit King George V, Queen Alexandra and their entourage arrived in the Royal Yachts Victoria & Albert and Alexandra, escorted by the cruisers Cochrane and Carnarvon, together with ships of the First and Second Battle Squadrons and Second and Third Cruiser Squadrons of the Home Fleet. They arrived at Kingstown Harbour (now Dun Laoghaire) on the evening of July 7th where they lay at anchor for the evening. 27 ships in all formed the Naval Review and the entire Fleet was illuminated overnight. The Royal Party landed on Irish soil at 10:30am on the 8th July, and then traveled to Dublin Castle. At Ballsbridge, they were met by Assistant Inspector-General W A O'Connell, with his Adjutant Frederick R St Lawrence Tyrell, Riding Master Major Richard Edwin Odlum, DI George D'Urban Rodwell and DI Gilbert N Potter, with 200 men and the Band of the Royal Irish Constabulary. The procession was then led by the Mounted Force into Dublin Castle. That afternoon the King and Queen opened the new Royal College of Science (now part of Government Buildings) and visited Trinity College and the Phoenix Park racecourse. Here they inspected a Guard of Honor of 200 RIC plus band, under County Inspector W.H.R. Heard. It was reported that the King enquired of Constable Francis McCready (60123) of the Tyrone Force as to his Royal Humane Society medal, who told him it was for saving a woman's life from fire in Cookstown in 1911. On July 10th the King visited Maynooth College. Apparently racing was high on the agenda for on the 10th July the King attended Leopardstown racecourse. On the 11th, the King and Queen inspected the RIC in front of the Vice Regal Lodge in Phoenix Park. 17 officers and 394 men (including 40 members of the Mounted Force) under the command of C.I. Heard were present. King George V left Ireland on the 12th July. The visit of Queen Elizabeth on May 17th 2011, nearly 100 years later, brings the British Monarch back to the 26 Counties in an official capacity for the first time since Independence. Medal distribution The Visit to Ireland medals were distributed to the RIC at the end of July 1912, at a special parade in the Phoenix Park Depot. Unlike the 1900 and 1903 Visit medals, they did not come with a suspension clasp and would have had to be sewn directly onto the tunic. Fortunately the Armourer Sergeant was able to procure clasps – it is not known if members of the force had to pay for these – and these are occasionally found with the original ribbons. To augment the RIC and DMP constabularies during the Royal Visit, 200 extra men were drafted in from outlying counties and a further cohort provided from Belfast. St John Ambulance Brigade The King granted the right to wear the medal to those members of the St John Ambulance on duty during his stay. These medals were presented on Thursday 18 July 1912 in Lord Iveagh's gardens, St Stephens Green by Mr Justice Ross. The corps was under the command of Dr Lumsden, St James Gate Division. St James Gate Division – 53 officers and men Messrs Jacobs Division – 17 officers and men City of Dublin Division – 12 officers and men City of Dublin Nursing Division – Lady Superintendent and 5 nurses
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