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Moving this helpful & interesting thread to the top where it deserves to be 👍

Just to clarify, the other topic you posted only showed the shoulder boards which despite seemingly being incomplete were in fact used briefly (details in my reply there) and on their own look fine to me. The pictures on this topic show the complete tunic and, as you say yourself, the button arrangement does not match a Coldstream pattern. The collar, cuffs, shoulder boards and tail may well be a ‘related set’ but they are not original to this tunic. The tail button detail is cut at the top. To me, the collar is badly attached. The shoulder boards are way too short. The cuff tunic material clearly has scars where the previous detail has been removed. The lining is red with a white tail facing whereas it should be white with a red tail facing. & as you said the buttons of a Coldstream Guards tunic would certainly be in pairs, regardless of its age, the rank or other. The guy selling it is a good guy in my experience but in this case I think the £200 price tag is indicative of the issues he knows it has. Possibly it was simply an innocent way that someone showcased their set of details and it might be worth 200 for them alone if you like it. tony.

Hi diwe, did you see my reply to your previous post about this? Some answers there… tony 🍻

Nice! I did not know there was such variety, I’d heard of ‘Queen Mary tins’ but this is new to me, 🍻

Yes, well said Sir! Happy Christmas all… tony🍻

That’s another beauty mate 🍻🍻 Happy Christmas to you and yours 🍻🍻

Thanks Christian, that settles it for me. Corroborates the few scraps I found. 👍 So Gents, did any of you know that Johann is an alternative for Josef? Because I didn’t have a clue 😊 My concern was I found Josef but he died in 1897, too early for our KTK’s. And I was looking for a possible son called Johann or anyone by that name. Eventually, mercifully I might add, I realised Johann was Josef. Then I found reference to a commemorative medal produced by… ‘private Christelbauer mint of Austria’ in 1899, so that proved the business continued after Josef died in 1897. With Christians existing knowledge of them , then it’s settled, 😁 I like the sound of 👇 JOHANN (JOSEF) CHRISTLBAUER MINT. Cheers Gents tony 🍻

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Hello Gents, I’m usually up overnight at least 2 nights a week, if I can I spend them on here learning a little bit more. But all to often I get a bit of an OCD type fixation especially when I feel the answer is somewhere waiting to be found. For this topic, I’ve spent months on and off trying to ID all the makers on the list I found elsewhere, with some success but still not all of them. Hence the big pause. I struggle with the thought of giving up… or did! With help, I have identified all the makers that I have examples of. So until I have got any additional one or someone else posts on here another mark that they have… F’ the others on that previous list. So I have offered myself, and accepted, a compromise. 🤝 A new list. A GMIC list. Verified with examples. Amongst mine I have 7 different makers marks. 1. ☘️ (clover symbol) 2. FA 3. GW 4. HMA 5. JC 6. MKT 7. W&A 1. ☘️ (clover symbol) The clover symbol was used by BSW. BRÜDER SCHNEIDER A.G WIEN 2. FA FRANZ ADLER METALLWARENFABRIK 3. GW GYORFFY ES WOLF FEMIPARI RT. 4. HMA HAUPTMUNZAMT 5. JC JOHANN CHRISTELBAUR & SON 6.MKT METALL-KUNSTSTOFF-TECHNIK 7. W&A WINTER & ADLER, WIEN I’ll leave it there for now, I’d hate to delete all the above by mistake, list with photos to follow. Any comments, additions or corrections, complaints or other always welcomed. tony 🍻 By the way… I just googled JOHANN CHRISTELBAUR & SON and (😡) found nothing 🤷‍♂️ So for now I have doubts about this one (☹️)

A whopping 106.9k views for this topic! Clearly proves that the people visiting this forum would miss GMIC if it was gone… 🍻

thanks Steve 🍻

Hi cabbell2207, personally I like it, it’s got the design quirks I look for that replica ones often don’t, the name on the reverse is a bit sloppy but that’s not unusual for these… but I’m not one of the experienced heads, so that’s just my best guess so to speak. Also GNR Odger did receive a trio so no problem with that either 👍 cheers tony 🍻

He’s a lovely fella and it’s not been about the money in our dealings so far, giving me extra bits & bobs and a gorgeous old book he knew I’d like. He said he’s going to auction because that way the price is what it is. I’d get mates rates but as he’s not sure what they are worth nowadays… what would that be 🤷‍♂️ I told him which I fancied most & he sent me this message yesterday… “Hi tony, the gun with the loop on the handle is a customs percussion cap pistol and the very large Flintlock is an Austrian one. The ones in the middle with the English crown on and the ones next to it, probably used in the battle of Waterloo, has markings on the trigger guard which confirms the regiment were there, hope you’re doing well, Bob” So I’ve asked for more pics & if he doesn’t mind me posting them I will. fingers crossed tony 🍻

Hi diwe, as I understand it… In 1902 the officers rank insignia changed, including adding the extra star for… captains 2 upto 3 stars Lieutenant 1 upto 2 stars 2nd Lieutenant 1 star - From 1902 until 1922 Brigadier Generals wore the crossed sword and baton on its own. - From 1922 until 1928 the rank was ‘replaced’ /retitled with Colonel-Commandant. - From 1928 the rank was again replaced, this time with Brigadier and the insignia as still used today So with a bit of luck, if the rest of the tunic tallies with that period, I would say it’s a Brigadier Generals or Colonel-Commandant tunic dating between 1902 -1928. cheers tony 🍻

Hello Dana, it’s good to see you continuing the search. I haven’t got the answer but I have a little bit I can add that may help… This is his Medal roll/records from ww1, they are held at the national archives. They list him as Gunner and show his unit as RFA 345B which is a different unit (I presume) he must have served with earlier. Perhaps that will change the possible location he was serving in at the time? I’m not too familiar with the RFA set up but I hope this helps a little Best Wishes tony 🍻

Hi Richard, just downloaded a couple CPF files at the National archive for you… cheers tony 🍻 21007 GNR G.A. CROWTHER R.FA. I hope someone finds you one day Richard 🤞

It does to me as well… there is an extra line I think here too and the rim on the left is much wider than that on the right… However, I’ve just seen some with different but equally dodgy looking variations being sold by reputable dealers so your guess is as good as mine 🤷‍♂️ The medal below doesn’t seem right either but to those in the know it’s a known variant 👇 Unless one of our experienced Gents chips in with a ’thumbs up’ I wouldn’t trust it myself. Such a minefield this game… ☹️ tony 🍻

Hello Christian, unfortunately not on this one. it is a glossy photograph rather than a postcard/rppc which would make sense for that later period. I’ve tried to get a better image of him… tony 🍻

how about this one instead? tony 🍻

Carlo, a good chance it’s this fella 👇 tony 🍻 edit… just noticed you said F-S 😪

Hello Gents, no prizes for guessing the theme.,. & the reverse with all names 👇 & the reverse 👇 cheers 🍻 tony

Can’t argue with you there Pete… —-/://—- DPK, I don’t know your reason for a possible Liverpool connection so it may be coincidence but in it’s earliest days there was a strong Liverpool connection with the QNI. tony 🍻

Exactly 🍻

I haven’t a clue what they’re worth yet but I’m going to try and find some similar ones, hopefully, to get an idea. He’s a retired MOD blacksmith and for years he picked them up whenever he saw one. He just enjoyed cleaning them up, there’s no work required on them… if I’m ever getting one now’s the time! I’ve got first dibs but I suspect they are going to be worth a few quid. Any thoughts about them Steve? PS… I like the third one from the left, the one below the one with the ring…