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I would make a little correction here. The three importent different dates are: 1st: day of deed, 2nd: approval by the king and 3rd: Issuing date of the certificate In the ordinance sheet of the Ministry of War, the date of the act is given as a standard in connection with the name. The reason for this is that the award is always made retrospectively to the date of the crime, so that the Benefit supplement are not reduced by delayed Commission decisions. The allowance always begins on the day of the deed.

I do not see it. The picture is not optimal. Just look at the belt buckle.

I also want to show a MVK again. It is a 1st class of the 2nd form (1905-1913)

You're right, I probably messed up a few pictures. Sorry. Nevertheless, your MVO is before 1917. The transition from gold to silver plated took place in late 1916. Your MVO is probably an early Hemmerle. MVOs with silver plated medallion always have a broadened rim on the lower cross arm. The manufacturer would have to be found on the back of the Agraffe, where the silver stamp can be found. A Leser-MVO is eliminated as Leser has another belt thorn in medallion,like Weiss and Hemmerle. Also, the agraffe is different in a Leser MVO. I would assign these swords to Hemmerle. It may be that Andreas can tell us more about it, he is the MVO specialist

Servus Laurentius, Good news, I mean, it's a pre-1917 MVO, with real gold medallions. The manufacturer is Weiss and Co., as can be seen on the back of the sword. Damage is often unavoidable. I mean, the lower back crossarm has been fixed before. Nevertheless, a nice piece. Congratulation to the purchase.

Perfekt, da kann man nur gratulieren.

I think so too

Andreas, zeig doch mal Bilder eines Ritter 1 und einer 3. Klasse

Andreas does not mean a 1st class MVO, but a 1st class Knight's Cross according to the old statutes.

Hello Chris, well explained. That is also the reason why the Bavarian MVM is so highly regarded. Even today...?

Vielleicht schaue ich auch noch vorbei.

I do not think the MVK is an original. The cross body and the swords seem to be from Leser, the medallions from another manufacturer. The front medallion would have to be gold in this cross shape. If it had been original silver plated, the lower rear crossarm would need to have a thicker rim. I would not want it. regards Walter

Nice MVO with real golden medallions. Everything is alright

Servus Graham, Your German is probably better than my English :-) You can see an original on Sascha Wöschler's page in the archive. Watch out for the flames and the widened edge of the lower cross arm https://woeschler-orden.de/node/4000

Servus Graham, For all original 3rd classes, the flames must be extra and not cast with the cross body. Also with the silver gilt pieces. I do not see it exactly in this piece. If the flames were not mounted extra, then it is a gold plated 4th grade regards Walter

Hello, no lent piece, probably Godet Berlin regards Walter

In the following picture one can see, how high and plastically the stamp of Professor Scharff was worked out. This means a lot of effort, especially when embossing the medals. I think that this medal is one of the highlights of the stamp cutting and embossing art of the 19th and 20th centuries. Note also that Luitpold wears the Deputy "Ornat" of the GeorgsO, unlike the Rescue Medal.

Servus Alex, I think that the upper Georg medal is a reproduction in gold. I do not know the lower one at all. 2017 was also at Hermann Historica a medalbar by Alfons with a Georg medal on offer. Here's a receipt where Alfons ordered 2 Georg medals in gold. The medal, which was included in the lot, I like the execution also not. This should be a replica medal. However, in a rebuilt or recreated medal neither the diecutter Scharff nor the A B for Alois Börsch should be seen on it, since it is not a re-stamping with the original stamping dies nor a casting of an original medal. I think that there is a lot of mischief going on. First the pictures of Hermann Historica: For comparison an original Georgian medal from my collection. Consider the elaboration in detail. Here is the link to the original Georgsmedaille of the Museum "Staatliche Münzsammlung in Munich". https://www.kenom.de/objekt/record_DE-MUS-099114_kenom_181272/2/

Nice MVK from Hemmerle, with the still elaborated and chiseled Agraffe.

Servus Graham, There were 146 awards, of which only 8 on the combat ribbon! Best regards Walter

graham, An Original by Leser Walter

Hello Sascha, there you are right of course, I have already pointed out above. ? Schön, dass Du wieder öfters “online” bist. Viele Grüße Walter

Hello, I am glad that your questions have been answered. So far I have only seen copies that were offered as originals and are therefore very expensive. Should I find a cheap copy, I will write to you. greetings from Bavaria Walter

Very interesting topic. I once wrote a post about the Georgs medal in the SDA, but in German. Here is the link: http://h2385226.stratoserver.net/wbb4/index.php?thread/61927-bayern-st-georgs-medaille-des-haus-ritterordens-vom-heiligen-georg/ There are many fakes of this medal. To distinguish between an original and a forgery you should compare exactly with the pictures in my article. There are only originals shown. Only the golden medals were awarded, the silver medals could be purchased and worn for donning the field uniform. Of these, however, only 11 pieces have been embossed. A gold medal was made from 15 ducats of gold and was therefore very heavy. They were minted in the Royal Bavarian Mint in Munich. The band rings were made by Eduard Quellhorst in Munich and most were marked with the manufacturer's stamp EQ. The Bavarian wearing regulations stipulate that the Georg Medal should always be given first place by civilians or military personnel. Here is a Google translation of the statutes Law and Ordinance for the Kingdom of Bavaria, No. 50, December 24, 1889, pages 665 - 666: Supreme ordinance, the foundation of a medal commemorating the celebrated on 8 December 1889 main festival of the house = Equestrian Order of St. George concerning. In the name of His Majesty King Luitpold, by the grace of God royal Prince of Bavaria, Regent We have decided, in commemoration of the main feast of the house of St. George, on the 8th of December, 1889, on which day fifty years have passed, since We entered the Order by Our Father, King Louis I, who is resting in God was taken to donate a medal and to prescribe over it what follows: §. 1. This decoration, which is "St. George's Medal "can only be members of the House = Order of St. George. We give it first to all the members of the order who were present at the religious festival on December 8, 1889. §. 2. The indefinite in a golden medal, their front of our bust image surrounded in the large master of the bayer of the luitpold, who portrayed St. George on horseback in battle with the lynx. The inscription on the reverse side reads: To commemorate the 8th of December, 1889 §. 3. The St. George's medal is worn on a sky blue silk ribbon with white and other border on the left breast. §. 4. The decrees of the St. George Medal shall be issued by us personally executed decrees. §. 5. The St. George's Medal remains after the demise of the holder the survivors circumstances. Given to Munich, 15 December 1889. Luitpold Prince of Bavaria of the Kingdom of Bavaria Verweser Quietude. Crailsheim. At the Most High Command: The General = Secretary: Frhr. v. Volderndorff