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The left three: Christian pieces

Next: Deutsche Turnerschaft (FFFF)

Right: Schlaraffia Reych No. 83 Metis (Metz), Metis-Kreuz

Uwe

Besten Dank für Deine liebe Karte, ... (lb.)

Uwe

Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal

1993 awarded to Manfred Woerner (Wörner), NATO Secretary General

Based on the "Naval War College Review, Autumn 2017 Volume 70, Number 4" with a picture of the award ceremony for Ruge as cover and an added text it was: February 21, 1961

That is for me the most trustful source.

Uwe

It is an "Überrock" (overskirt), more like a jacket than a coat.

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Philip, there are many organizations with unbelieveable many decorations, that you can find so many different cases.

The very early cases had seldom plastic (Plaste), the late cases are nearly all in plastic.

As examples an early NVA medal for faithful service from 1959 (wooden) and an early MdI medal of merit (cardboard > Pappe).

1: It could be a different interpretation of the official (Marine) summer time (1. Mai - 30.September) > white hat.

Or the three men did not find their white cap covers.

2: It is new for me, that Graf Luckner disliked the Nazis. He arranged himself for expedient reasons.

Uwe

Yes, they are original/official.

The same plastic cases, left an older version, in the middle and right the later versions with a soft inlay.

Uwe

chrisnico2022 is well known, and you must read his "Allgemeine Geschäftsbedingungen für dieses Angebot":

(5) Alle Artikel werden von mir grundsätzlich als Sammler- bzw. Museumsanfertigungen verkauft, da es mir nicht möglich ist das Alter bzw. die Echtheit zu garantieren. Ich bin lediglich Händler und kein vereidigter Gutachter.

(5) All items are sold by me in principle as collectors or museum productions, because it is not possible for me to guarantee the age or authenticity. I am only a dealer and not a sworn appraiser.

And here at the PlM is also important: "Vermutlich zwischen 1919 - 1930 gefertigt." > Probably made between 1919 - 1930, Probably made ... !

Uwe

"Definetely not an W6.

Likely W4 or W5"

I have no problem with that.

Uwe

Oertz Flugboot als Gleitboot und Rettungsboot in Putzig. (Oertz W 6)

Uwe

In the estate of General der Infantrie Otto von Below and in the records of the "Familienverband derer von Below" is no indication of a Grand Cross of the Red Eagle Order.

Uwe

"Was he maybe given the "Charakter als Generaloberst" in 1919???"

No, never.

Uwe

Hello Hendrik,

after your answer I remembered, that I have a book about Belgian decorations, "H. Quinot, Ordres de Chevalerie et Décorations Belges de 1830 a 1963, Bruxelles 1963, 5th edition".

And there I found the year 1905 in the text.

Uwe

Hallo Hendrik,

the basic question is, when the change from one language, French, to the two languages, French and Flemish, occurred.

The first medals were only in french, the current ones are in French and Flemish.

And yes, unofficial medals exist in modern times only in French and only in Flemish (it could be that the images of the medals are not to scale), left the one from 1864:

Uwe

Schlaraffia is an international society.

Yes, I think, that it is from an Austrian Schlaraffia Reych, but I could not find it.

Uwe

Médaille d'honneur du travail, Vermeil (silver gilded)

Uwe

Yes, they obviously adopted the cipher of the German regiment.

Uwe

The cypher is for

Prussia: Grenadier-Regiment König Friedrich Wilhelm IV (1. Pommersches) Nr. 2

Uwe

Hi,

Steinhauer & Lück wrote in the early 40s: "Die von uns gelieferten Nachbildungen..."

It can be translated with e.g. copy, replica, reproduction, duplicate etc.

You can take it for both, 1940 and 1960.

"So, after WW2 there wasn't an official Order to produce replacement Awards for vets?"

No, there was no official order, never!

Uwe

Copy, reproduction, replacement, fake, or what ever you want (but not original or 57er)

Uwe

Hi Tupper,

"a medal bar wir 57er ww1 Decorations"

VtwinVince and Megan have already described it.

With the law from 1957 it was allowed to wear German and foreign decorations. Several civilian and military decorations from the Third Reich period could be worn too.

Official specified decorations of this period could be worn only in a denazified form, without national socialist emblems (ohne nationalsozialistische Embleme), in a changed design (in geänderter Form).

Only the denazified pieces could be 1957er versions: 1957er Auszeichnungen

A medal bar with 1957er decorations can be called a 1957er bar, but that does not make the other originals or copies on the bar to 1957er decorations.

Uwe

Hi Chuck,

they are not marked.

Uwe

A special case for a Hanseatenkreuz Bremen

A special case for a Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg

Uwe