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  1. Hard to read; I have: Seestellung ... Blick auf das Leichenfeld (Seesoldaten) vom Sturmangriff am 9. Mai 1915
  2. Thank You for explaining in such detail this very confusing topic. I have some issues of "Die Tradition", but not this one. It's an outstanding photo, having all those Musikmeisters together, with their very special uniforms. Here is a picture of the late Giltsch: Seems like they also didn't know about the different Stabshoboist/hornist/trompeter in this little biography, where he is called Stabshoboist
  3. What makes this photo also special is that he is wearing the crown order with the red eagle order "Emailleband" (enameled ribbon)
  4. Well described, that convinced me. Indeed the bands hanging out of the Bulgarian crown seem to support the illusion. Thanks!
  5. Thanks al lot for your kind comments! According to the entry in Meyers Konversationslexikon(1905) they discarded the wearing of weapons and only accepted the military-service when being forced. I guess they might have been sort of a source of unrest within the armed forces, why some generals/officers or other deciding authorities might have disliked them. Or they just were discriminated because of their beliefs. But all that is pure speculation. The book cited in the article "Der Nazarenismus" by Szeberényi might give answers. But apart from that, I wouldn't understand why a member of this group, when being a soldier like every other one, fulfilling all the rules, shouldn't get the cross.
  6. Thanks for confirming, if someone is able to contact the author from the text on the OMSA-Website, would be great (i don't have an account there, if no one does I maybe create one) That is also why I couldn't believe this was actually true, it would definitely have been a great surprise to me. (and I would have felt deeply ashamed for the authorities.)
  7. Update: Maybe those people are meant: (Meyers Konversationslexikon 1905)
  8. @Christian1962 Regarding the troop cross discussion. If you look into the "Verordnungsblatt für das k. u. k. Heer / Normalverordnungen / 25. Stück / 6. Juli 1918 S. 129ff" you find the "Statuten und Durchführungsbestimmungen für das [...] Karl-Truppen-Kreuz" https://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex-day?aid=kkh&datum=19180706&seite=5&zoom=33 There you find on page 6 "Ad §3 Punkt 1." "8. Anspruch auf das Karl-Truppenkreuz haben:" and then under the letter n) (on page 8) "n) An Nazarener darf das Karl-Truppen-Kreuz nicht verliehen werden" (That's the sentence the author of the OMSA-Text cites) I am actually not sure if Jews are meant with this word - maybe one of you can help here Beside that, I found the article "Das österreichische Karl-Truppen-Kreuz " in the "Orden und Ehrenzeichen" magazine number 51 from 2007 by Walter A. Schwarz. There he lists all the Verordnungsblätter regarding the cross. I couldn't find the ones like "BH Nr. 45/1917/Z. 639/S. 472" with the signature "BH" at the Austrian national library. What does "BH" mean?
  9. Well, yes, i have to admit something like "1. Komp" or just "1. K" would definitely make more sense. That it is the cross 1st class shouldn't be that hard to remember.
  10. It could be "F. Richter, 1. Klasse", but that's pure speculation
  11. Looking through the list again, I think that George IV was the only non-catholic ever to become a member of the Austrian branch. Definitely an interesting topic to dig into, if not someone already has.
  12. Thanks for your answer. I know about the division of the order and that lot's of non-catholics got the spanish one (including Kaiser Wilhelm II, who always wore his spanish one like it was the austrian one 😄) But George IV is in the austrian(!) list of recipients (the one on Wikipedia) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Ritter_des_Ordens_vom_Goldenen_Vlies#19._Jahrhundert_2
  13. That leads me to a question, I recently asked myself. I always thought only catholics can be part of the order. But looking through the list of recipients, there is King George IV of Great Britain (number 880). Was there any rule I don't know of?
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