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    Micke

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    1. On 09/01/2023 at 22:53, Aniki said:

      Guys, how about this one? I'd appreciate for information which period is this particular WE. Many thanks in advance 

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      It´s the 5th clas of WE after 1909. There normaly are a number on the backside of the crown that say the year its made.

    2. 12 hours ago, ThaiDave said:

      Hi Micke

      I don't know if that is good explanation for certificates - seems odd that they would have so many extra documents printed up that they would last for another 30 years. And then the documents would get used up just the time they do a re-write of the order regulations, and coincidentally the old wisdom of the date for the type change at this time. (1941 was what I had heard decades ago as people told me also).

      Yes, the documents for all grades are with the highest class of the award.

      Have you found any new information on this ?  I got a translation of the Thai government book in English and read thru again.  It says as we know from the regulations the design change in 1909.  But I just don't see it fully in practice, except for some pictures as have been posted.  1909 to 1941 isn't a short time, and so I would expect a lot more of the new model found in old patina and more pictures of Thais as well as foreigners - and I just don't see that much. Maybe those years the awards were few, and therefore not much around. Maybe not everyone changed to the new model, and 1941 was a hard reset to the new model.

      So I think it still needs more research how it played out in practice. 

      Rgds

      Dave

      Hi Dave

      I agree with you that this needs much more research. In 32 years there should be a lot of orders given out to both Thai and to foreigners. Do you have a digital copy of that english translated book? You are correct that it sounds crazy that they should have printed certificates that lasted for over 30 years. Thats just stupid. So why it shows the old award are also a puzzel to solve. I have tried to send emails to the Thai secretariat but they never answer.

    3. 18 hours ago, laurentius said:

      Dear Johan, 

      Would you also happen to know what is being done with all the left-over decorations? Sweden like most European countries demands their decorations back and I suppose most recipients since 1974 have died. Are the orders being melted down or are they stored for later?

      Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius

       

      17 hours ago, JohanH said:

      I have no idea, but it's a question I have been thinking of. 

      If they have kept all orders that were sent in after the recipients death, they must have enormous amounts of orders in stock.  

      Just the commander class of the order of the Sword have been awarded just over 5000 times since it's institution. 
       

      But it's a question worth asking the royal chancellery about. 

      The royal palace have a very impressive collection of orders in exhibition.
      So if you ever go to Stockholm, it's well worth a visit. 

      I have a friend at the chancellery and he said that they havent taken back any orders for many many years. They try to get back the order of North Star and the order of the seraphime because they are still given out. 

      Some countries send a person to colllect the order after a person died but Sweden dont do that. 

    4. I looked in the Swedish "statskalendern" from 1880. Statskalendern are were important people in Sweden was listed with there ODM´s. I found 4 persons who hade recived this order. 

      Carl Herman Oscar Ennes, Ärekors af Hohenz. Hus 0. 3:e kl. 

      Frih. Gustaf Johan Wilhelm Ehrenborgh, Ärekors af Hohenz. Hus O. 2:a kl.

      Sven Hjalmar Thestrup, Ärekors af Hohenz. Hus-O. 3:e kl.

      Olde, Emanuel Mathias, Ärekors Hohenz. Hus. 0. 3:e kl. 

      So these person would have gotten the order before 1880. 

    5. Very nice group!! You know who the group belong to? (Vem mottagaren är)

      Little strange that it have the same order in diffrent classes. That is not the way "we" do it in Sweden. 

      The order of the White Elephant and the order or the Crown changed its appearances in 1909. The attached document prove that. unfortunately its in Thai. 

      The far left medal seams to be the Rajamangala Bhisek Medal, Commemorative Medal on the Occasion of the Longest Reign Celebrations of the Accession to the Throne of H.M King Chulalongkorn.

      The second from left seams to be the Rajini Medal, Commemorative Medal of H.M Queen Saovabha Phongsri´s Investiture as Queen Regnant.

      order of the crown 1909.pdf order of the white elephant 1909.pdf

    6. Hello Archer

      This is really a Thai puzzle.

      A thai friend tryed to explain this to me but he didnt really have a good explination for it. As i understand it is that Thai people can wear these Commemorative Medals as they wish. But i thought that they hade to be born during the Commemorative Medal was given out. Se attached Picture.

      I Think this is a very interesting topic and i will look more into it.

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    7. On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2020 at 21:16, JanneP said:

      Seems that bar is bit mysterious. I dont have so much experience of Swedish miniatyr bars. But is those orders are in the correct order? I mean Vasa comes before the Swedish Patriotic Society medal, Finland, Germany etc. In general is it common to have that kind semi-official medal in these kind of bars?

      Its common in Sweden. The Swedish regualtions say that you wear Swedish orders/medals first then the nordic countries then other countries, names in french, and last international medals, such as UN, NATO etc.

      The last medal on the bar are in the wrong Place. I Think it was awarded after he mounted the medals and didnt want to ree do it all, so he just put it last.

    8. 2 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

      Dear Mr. Mitce, I would like to ask some other questions. Sweden's Vassar order has a lower rank than the Polaris order? I see that many German medal bars have the shadow of the Vasa order. There are fewer North Stars, but there are more Asians who get North Star breast stars.

      Both orders have the same number of classes, 5.

      The order of vasa is an open order. So anyone, almost, could get it for almost anything :). The order of the northen star was given for Civil-  and scientific- merits. So for example embassy staff are given the nothern star. Thats is why i think there are more asians who got awarded the Northen star because there was not so many asians before 1975 in Sweden eccept embassy staff.   

    9. On ‎22‎/‎02‎/‎2020 at 12:06, ThaiDave said:

      Hi Micke

      Officially it is light blue.  But I have never seen any ribbons still light blue.  The ribbon itself fades, as even in-between where there is no sun, it is also faded.  Some even have slight green tint.  I have seen the 2nd pic you posted, but I don't remember where it was from - I presume it is colored.

      Picture from 1992 Thai Medals Department book :

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      Picture from Thai Medals Department 1970 book (oldest color pic I have):

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      Most unfaded ribbon pic I have

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      Typical fading on all sides of ribbon - not sun fading on front only ( I didn't try to peer inside the threads - might be useful for less oxidized color ?)

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      Most I've seen nearly all completely faded, however this one I can see the internal fibers still some greenish color

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      Miniature

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      Rgds

      Dave

      www.indochinamedals.com

      Hi Dave

      I think its typical for old ribbons that the color fade. Very nice to see miniatyre medal. Not often i see Thai miniaryr medals.

       

      BR

      Micke

    10. I haven seen two diffrent ribbons to this medal, if its the same medal. I think it is.

      I seen one medal with white ribbon and one with blue ribbon.

      Which is the right ribbon? Blue or white? I think the blue are the right one and that the other medal's ribbon has become sun-bleached, but im not 100% sure.

      Medal of the queen front.jpg

      The Queen’s Medal.png

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