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It's just that I've already seen two online pictures of different LW collections that feature this specific pin, one of which from I suppose Russia - may even be the same pin physically. Anyhow, it certainly has that reverse (much obliged, Matthew, for the image)  so characteristic for WW2 LW unit and U-boat badges, but that goes for early German post-war badges as well. Looks like a cul-de-sac for now. Thank you again for your effort people!

On 25/12/2022 at 04:25, Matthew Macleod said:

Thank you Matthew,

     so definitely not DSK or KG30 but do you think it could be German, and if so postwar or ww2 period?

Good day people,

Can someone please tell/confirm whether this enamelled badge belongs to Kampfgeschwader 30.... or that it is even German a badge for that matter and not something entirely different? The image on the badge seems to resemble the logo of the postwar  DSK Division (German Bundeswehr) more than WW2 Kampfgeschwader 30.

Thank you so much in advance for your replies

On 27/09/2020 at 16:05, Sidney68 said:

The "cupid shooting gallic rooster" with the umbrella added to the mix was a short-lived emblem of 7./JG 26.

The emblem was introduced around the time of the III. Gruppe's formation, late September or early October 1939, and was abandoned by early 1940. Its replacement was the well-known red heart emblem.

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Sinisa 

my utmost gratitude bordering on having rabies I do greet thee,

my angel Sinisa.

On 13/07/2020 at 19:06, OvBacon said:

I'm curious what makes you believe this is a U-Boat emblem.

But as far as I know only U-483 had an emblem showing a white elephant on a red shield bus as there is no image of it it would be near impossible to determine if this is it and then if it is an originally worn device. 

 

Red shield?  Where did you read it was a white elephant on a "red shield"? That much I missed. Anyhow, one might ask: "what else kind of Ship/U-boat crew could/would have carried this device?"

Borehole badges are pretty much always a dead giveaway for being German (thus Kriegsmarine) badges worn on overseas caps (schiffchen) for surface ships or u-boats. One can oversimplify matters, but I think collectors of Kriegsmarine stuff make it a sport to distrust all that is offered for sale. The patina of the copper of this badge on the flip side can't be reproduced adequately enough to pass. I don't show the flip side for obvious reasons.

There are quite a few elephants shown in "U-Boat Emblems in World War II - Georg Högel" . But which U-Boat would the elephant in the attached photo represent exactly? Much obliged for your input I am.

Came across some hand painted colorful shields on Weitze, belonging to the Luftstreitkräfte and/or Luftwaffe. Wondering which squadron they might represent I managed to find matching pictures but they failed to give definite answers. All I know is that "lion chasing rooster" is a WW1 double-decker airplane and hence it can't be WW2. Can you identify "cupid shooting gallic rooster"?  Latter has to be ww2 for the text says the umbrella is (Neville) Chamberlain's. Much obliged for your assistance.

 

my latest conquests, real or not real, Z is not the question: from left to right, U-270, U-108?, U-777, U-305; 

JustinG and Chris, thanks the both of you for your welcome advice. Hmm, I think I've come to a point where I got hooked to collecting instead. Instead of trying to make money out of these insignia that is. Likely I just made collecting U-Boat cap badges my official hobby. My latest acquisition (U-305):

Then mere authenticity remains the only way to at least break even, right? But I do have a "Real Mccoy" provenance going for both these W. Churchill and U-255 badges. With U-407, however, I may have taken a tiny gamble since it might prove somewhat difficult to show that it is real. But there's a U-407 photograph confirming its geometric shape:

I shy away from  "board made" fake badges, but how can you really tell?

thanks for your advice, people.

A novice to militaria myself from the get-go I was coaxed by some of my friends to invest in it. This due to all the uncertainty having to do with the 2008 crisis, low interest and all. Incited, I took the bold step and, as of 2018, I officially started collecting militaria, truly hoping that this would  deliver me more interest than banks could ever promise. Decided to specialize in U-Boat history, here I am. But could you please be a honest judge on whether I did well on purchasing these pieces (photo attached)? First and foremost, are they real? I want them to be real, but I value your judgement higher than my wish. I bought them from two different sellers and all three pieces struck me authentic on sheer sight. I hope I do own original cap badges for U 382,  U 255 and U 407. But am I right? Don't hesitate to publish the most trivial of detail.

 VS.          I do and do not see the comparison. CAS

Meanwhile I found an "up to 2005" addendum to Georg Hogel's "U-Boat Emblems..." https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=15152.0 which embraces the possibility that it was U-464.

On 08/01/2020 at 17:28, hucks216 said:

It just states that up to now no emblem has been verified.

A genuine cul-de-sac then, I'm afraid. Thank you too, Hucks.

On 06/01/2020 at 04:59, Matthew Macleod said:

 

 

Matthew, thank you for the U-464 image. I didn't even know it existed. Yes, definitely an emblem there and that's interesting enough in itself, but with the best will in the world I can't see much resemblance with the badge. Maybe other pictures of this emblem still remain and provide a definitive answer one day. 

A German gentleman who recently sold it to me said that he himself got it many
years ago, along with a cap badge from U-168 (Monsun-boat), from a
household. To my knowledge there were only ten Type XIV U-Boats built in total
but I could only find the "conning tower" emblems of 9 of them in Georg Hogel's book -
the remaining one, U-464, is not incorporated into his book.

U-459, commissioned 15 November 1941, scuttled 24 July 1943
U-460, commissioned 24 December 1941, sunk 4 October 1943
U-461, commissioned 30 January 1942, sunk 30 July 1943
U-462, commissioned 5 March 1942, sunk 30 July 1943
U-463, commissioned 2 April 1942, sunk 15 May 1943
U-464, commissioned 30 April 1942, scuttled 20 August 1942
U-487, commissioned 21 December 1942, sunk 13 July 1943
U-488, commissioned 1 February 1943, sunk 26 April 1944
U-489, commissioned 8 March 1943, sunk 4 August 1943
U-490, commissioned 27 March 1943, sunk 12 June 1944

So I figured maybe it could have belonged to the crew of U-464. Or were perhaps
supply surface ships (versorgers) also called Milk Cow or Sea Cow? Your help is much
appreciated.