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Wessel Gordon

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    Military history and medals, military commanders, dogs, reading

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  1. I prefer shoulderboards. My SADF collection includes the shoulder boards of a full colonel, the US collection has the four stars of a full general that could be worn on either the lapels or shoulders and I'm working on buying a UK general's insignia which from what I've seen of British uniforms are displayed on the shoulders as well.
  2. Sandro, Thanks for the links. I know for a fact it's a copy...it was advertised as such and I bought it with the full knowledge it didn't hang around some guy's neck in 19-whatever. However if someone with an interest in military history sees it displayed in my house he might think ''Looks interesting...I wonder what the history behind the real medal is''. And as far as my research and Graham's post indicates the PLM was last rewarded in 1918...hence the fact I'm looking for the insignia of around that year. I know I am in the minority but I buy medals that catches my eye and although it has a massive impact on the financial value of my collection I do not mind owning copies of medals I really like such as the PLM. To me it's about the thrill of having a copy of a medal I always wanted to own and although it would be awesome to have genuine medals with their full history having the story behind a genuine medal isn't the deciding factor in owning it. In my SADF collection I have 10 full-sized medals all stamped with serial numbers and they were confirmed by a person more knowledgeable than me as genuine SADF issue and that fact alone is enough for me. The other factor that influence my decision to buy well-made copies is that they display better than a faded real medal and all my medals I eventually intend to display.
  3. I'm sure this isn't the right forum but the ''Classifieds'' section seems to have some issues so please excuse me if this post is in an inappropriate thread. I am looking for the insignia of a Prussian/German officer to accompany my Pour le Merite but can't seem to find it on any site. Does somebody perhaps know where I can find some even if it's replica items?
  4. Does anybody have any idea where I can find Prussian/German rank insignia dated around the end of WW1? I checked Ebay but most of those items are either WW2 or East/West Germany so it's obviously not going to work with a PLM of 1918.
  5. Graham, Thanks for the exhaustive list. I notice that among the recipients of the PLM with Oak Leaves after 22 September 1918 there are several lieutenants. Do you perhaps have an idea what would warrant what seems to be a fairly senior award to a junior officer like a lieutenant at a time when hostilities was calming down after World War 1? Was it belated recognition of actions involving the necessary merit/gallantry during the war?
  6. I have no knowledge of Prussian/German awards so all the medals and abbreviations used in this thread is a completely alien language to me but the restored bar look stunning. All I know of German awards is that Iron Crosses was awarded during the World Wars so I assume that's the medal referred to in this thread as a EK...am I correct? The only thing even remotely close to that in my collection is a copy of a Pour le Merite without Oak Leaves that I bought on impulse because I loved the shade of blue and the way the gray and black of the ribbon combined with the medal itself. I have also seen some copies on Ebay of the Blue Max of which the medal itself was any color under the sun but blue. I don't know how you German collectors feel but in my opinion that's just plain wrong and should be punishable. If you're going to the trouble of copying a medal at least try and make it resemble the original as close as possible. As an example of what I said above see the link below. https://www.google.com/search?q=pour+le+merite+images&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX5N3stoDkAhVRMewKHRR0BjsQ4216BAgJECM&biw=800&bih=394#imgrc=R-7KsH4Z_jUMcM: I'm under the impression that the PLM (Blue Max) was from the design stage meant to be blue so if the other colors in the link above denotes various classes or ranks please feel free to correct me.
  7. Any idea on the manufacturing date/year of the medal? To my very untrained eye the medal seems to be in pristine condition for a medal that's, for argument's sake, 20-30 years old. But it's better if the more knowledgeable members voice their opinion...I might be completely wrong and in that case will gladly accept being corrected.
  8. In South Africa it very common to have either an English or Afrikaans surname and yet that' person's first language is the opposite of what the surname seems to indicate it should be. I've got a Scottish surname and sometimes i struggle with simple English and can't even understand the Scottish accent, lol.
  9. Thanks Peter. Just waiting for us to be settled in our new house (which might take a while since we have to sell the old one first) then my collection is going in a shadow box. I'm in contact with a local guy that cleans and mounts medals for a living to help me clean them properly but when it comes to mounting me and him have very conflicting ideas so I'm waiting till after the move to decide.
  10. Daniel, Thanks for the interesting information. I attach a copy of my PLM so as all those that joined in the discussion can see it's the ordinary PLM without Oak Leaves. If the lowest ranking officer that got the Oak Leaves version was a major I guess the highest appropriate insignia for the ordinary PLM would be a captain. That begs another question: the last PLM was awarded on 22 September 1918 should it be a Prussian captain or should it be German? During the German Revolution in November 1918 the Kaiser and all the other monarchs of territories consisting modern Germany abdicated and the Treaty of Versailles was signed by Germany.
  11. Laurentius, Good question. I would reckon that Manfred von Richthofen with his 80 confirmed aerial victories merited the Oak Leaves since he obviously won quite a few significant battles of his own and by shooting down so many aircraft prevented them from being used in a mass attack on the German lines.
  12. P.F. Thanks for the reply. What's the odds of it have been awarded to a colonel or higher? Since my other three insignia's far outranks a mere lieutenant it would look a bit odd to flank the Pour le Merite with the insignia of a lieutenant.
  13. I have a collection of South African, British and US medals as well as a single copy of a Pour le Merite. With the three other groupings I'm planning to include the insignia of a high ranking officer of the appropriate military. What would be an appropriate rank (and date of that rank) be to display with the Pour le Merite? For the SADF collection I have a full colonel's shoulder boards, for the British collection i am working on getting a full general's ''parade dress'' insignia and for the US collection I have the insignia of a four star general. Any suggestions?
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