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Wessel Gordon

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    Military history and medals, military commanders, dogs, reading

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  1. Ian, Gordon Thanks for the replies. I did browse on the Amazon site for books about medals but decided to get some advice from more experienced collectors before committing to one book which might end up not being what I need.
  2. I regularly read up on US generals on Wikipedia to fill some down time and I noticed that in nearly all cases the generals (regardless of the branch of the military they served in) started as second lieutenant and got promoted to first lieutenant and then to captain after exactly two and four years service respectively but promotion from captain to major take anything from five years or more. Promotions from major upwards seems to be unpredictable so I guess that's down to the need for that particular officer's skills at a certain level at a certain time or if if there's a post to be filled. Obviously this only apply to peacetime promotions since it's blatantly obvious from my reading that officers promoted during the World Wars tended to revert to their pre-war rank after the conflict was over. Is this required ''time on grade/rank'' or is there another reason for this bigger gap?
  3. I am looking for a reference book about US medals and ribbons. Is there a ''go to'' reference work US collectors have on their bookshelves?
  4. I am fairly new to medal collecting and I'm looking for a reliable reference book on the topic of British military medals. Is there a ''go to'' reference book for collectors of UK medals?
  5. As an afterthought here's a picture of 3 of the 4 Honoris Crux Medals that was ever awarded: Left to right: Gold, Silver and ''entry level'' Honoris Crux. The only one missing is the Diamond version which was never awarded and never will be since the Honoris Crux series was discontinued. Since the series was discontinued and I'm only aware of one Honoris Crux Diamond that was manufactured for a museum I'm pretty sure I'll never add that medal to my collection. These medals in my collection are miniatures since the full size versions are incredibly rare and therefor more than incredibly expensive.
  6. I'm new to medal collecting and have no knowledge of badges etc so can't help you confirm what it is but some of the experts should be able to help you. Looking at the crude workmanship and patina I would agree on your age estimate but as I said I'm not an expert so I'll be gladly corrected if I'm wrong.
  7. Mitrich, I've only been collecting medals since March this year and I'm not related to anyone on the Forbes list of richest people in the world so I have to be picky about what I buy. I know for some (or even most collectors on here) the thrill of collecting is getting an original medal and researching the history behind it and it's original owner but in my case it's more a case of seeing a medal I like (such as the DSO in the picture) and getting one for my collection. I have a total of nearly 100 medals but only 10 South African Defense Force medals have serial numbers which are therefor original. QSAMike, I only realized that afterwards. I have medals from the US, UK and South Africa and as I said above I'm new to collecting so I'm learning while I browse and buy and having information (especially South African) that's sometimes unreliable or downright conflicting regarding orders of precedence sometimes feels like I'm treading on potential landmines. Luckily most of the experienced collectors like you are willing to help out a new guy like me. After that picture was posted I also bought copies of all 9 the UK World War II campaign medals so things are coming along nicely. I know it was impossible for a soldier actually involved in World War II to have earned all 9 medals but it's nice to have the full set.
  8. Arthur, Thanks for the reply. That's what i thought.
  9. In my collection of South African medals I have the Honoris Crux, Honoris Crux Silver and in the process of buying the Gold version so I have all 3 of the 4 variants (the Diamond was never awarded so trying to get a copy is an exercise in futility). The post-nomials are HC, HCS and HCG, In my research I came across two soldiers who got the ''entry level'' Honoris Crux and the Silver Honoris Crux for a later action. My question is: were those two soldiers entitled to the post nominals HCS and HC or just the HCS? In other words, if we take my name and if the medal was still awarded, would it be Wessel Gordon HCS, HC or Wessel Gordon HCS?
  10. I have the insignia of a full general of the British Army but I'm missing the epaulletes that they are attached to. Does anybody know where I can find some? Ebay have some but most of them already have insignia attached to them in cloth so it's not a case of buying and attaching my insignia. The other option is a local South African auction site that sells military stuff but I want to be sure I end up with at least the correct color epaulette so once again I simply just can't buy any and attach the insignia.
  11. Arthur, Thanks for the reply. Since the Barron et al book was published in 1986 it fits right into that roughly 30 year gap you mentioned. Just weird that 3 senior officers (and I guess a bunch of unnamed research assistants) picked up on the anomaly. I do not have the Wolraad Woltemade Decoration in my collection so in my case the Honoris Crux Silver and the Honoris Crux would be situated next to each other.
  12. I bought a Honoris Crux Silver (1975) miniature on auction yesterday and on reading up on about it on Wikipedia I spotted an interesting anomaly. According to Wikipedia The HCS (1975) is succeeded in the order of precedence by the Van Riebeeck Decoration and not the ordinary Honoris Crux (1975) as it's clearly stated on page 33 in Barron et al's book about South African Decorations. A mere case of someone not getting their facts straight before posting online?
  13. Paul and Gavin, Thanks for the replies. Paul, I'm not sure who manufactured the medals but it might be worthwhile to find out. Gavin, I suspect you're right that after the amalgamation the military records of the previous regime was either stored in a bunker for all eternity with nobody having access or that the records was used to start bonfires after we won the 1995 Rugby World Cup. Interestingly enough the only ''reliable'' numbers I could find about medal numbers are about the Honoris Crux (1975) series. But that might be due to the fact that an award of one was reported widely under the old regime to boost morale.
  14. OK, novice question: Was it accepted custom for this military to issue several awards of the same medal's ribbons to be displayed side by side? It looks like this guy have several copies of the same medal.
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